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So you are going to tell me that they all quit for the same reasons? Come on now, you just want any sub loss or gain to solely be because of what issue or favorite feature.
Just as much as you are going to continually imply that we all were willing to pay $30 a month even though it was maybe a handful of people including trolls posting such.
You are a flaming hypocritical troll.
You call me a troll and you make up something I never said for the second time now? and please tell me how I am hypocritcal, my stance on most of this has never changed.
Not once did I say people said they would all pay 30, I said what I have heard for years from across all over was" We will pay anything" and here specifically plenty of people that you would consider #nochangers and/or pro classic have said they would be ok with a 15$ sub, no implying. If that doesn't apply to , well thats great, doesn't change that there is/was not a small number who did say that and/or agree with the sentiment.
I for one,would have paid a separate sub and I agree with you that it should be an option, but chances are that some kind of combined sub will still be used regardless.
11/03/2018 04:32 PMPosted by
Hexagon
I do not and will not pay for retail. Its crap and I don't support crap.
You are not paying to support retail, your money goes directly to the company and the development of dozens of Blizzard games. You money does not specifically get funneled into retail WoW. And the fact that you think that & refuse to pay $15 a month to play Classic when it launches is just sad.
Go back to your free private server until Blizzard shuts that one down too. I'm sure once Classic launches, they will really crack the whip even harder on these private servers.
You are not paying to support retail, your money goes directly to the company and the development of dozens of Blizzard games. You money does not specifically get funneled into retail WoW. And the fact that you think that & refuse to pay $15 a month to play Classic when it launches is just sad.
Go back to your free private server until Blizzard shuts that one down too. I'm sure once Classic launches, they will really crack the whip even harder on these private servers.
Which I think one of the main reasons for Classic is to help shut down those servers.
11/03/2018 04:06 PMPosted by
Koushi
I have never once said that people have ever quit in the entire history of the universe because of the ratio of classic-only players to combo-players on classic WoW servers.
Oh yah you did, you said people quit because of one thing, you did not say 'some' people did you? You wanted to misrepresent a sub loss to represent your biased view.
You quoted a post that literally had the word some in it.
11/03/2018 03:11 PMPosted by
Koushi
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Some of them quit because it wasn't an expense they wanted to pay on a game they didn't feel was worth the money anymore.
ALong with thousands of other reasons as well, not just the one that supports any pet peeve.
Are you just pretending to be retarded?
11/03/2018 04:06 PMPosted by
Koushi
It's telling that most of your arguments are strawmen, and you think because some vocal people said they'd pay any price, this somehow applies to anyone else.
Lol you are funny, no, even explained that too, it was/is not a small amount of people that expressed those thoughts, was/is not a small amount that agreed with those sentiments.
So how many people have said that? Many relative to what? You probably couldn't even fill up a single server with the number of people that said that.
If the real goal is to be able to play on legit servers drawing a line in the sand over a reasonable sub amount makes you question how many truly wanted to pay anything at all. Course to head you off, what is 'reasonable' is certainly subjective, but that does not change my point as people would have still complained if it was cheaper, what seems to bother people is the hated live players playing at all, since they think that all of them are jsut waiting to ruin it for everyone else.
There you go strawmanning again. I was never one of the people begging for classic. I'm allowed to have an opinion too.
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Just as much as you are going to continually imply that we all were willing to pay $30 a month even though it was maybe a handful of people including trolls posting such.
You are a flaming hypocritical troll.
You call me a troll and you make up something I never said for the second time now? and please tell me how I am hypocritcal, my stance on most of this has never changed.
Not once did I say people said they would all pay 30, I said what I have heard for years from across all over was" We will pay anything" and here specifically plenty of people that you would consider #nochangers and/or pro classic have said they would be ok with a 15$ sub, no implying. If that doesn't apply to , well thats great, doesn't change that there is/was not a small number who did say that and/or agree with the sentiment.
I for one,would have paid a separate sub and I agree with you that it should be an option, but chances are that some kind of combined sub will still be used regardless.
If you go back through my post history, a long long time ago in a post far far away, I said I would pay 5-7.99 for classic servers. That's just one example. You like to omit all the people saying they would have paid different lesser tier subs for the sake of your argument (strawman).
It's easier for your arguments if you said "but they said they'd pay full sub fee reeeeeeeeee!" When naming only one example that doesn't encompass all wow vets who are inactive.
If Blizzard delivers Classic, the actual Classic that was promoted initially that was supposed to be the "authentic vanilla experience", I have no issues with paying $15/mo for that.
That being said, right now it's shaping to be a stripped down Legion with pre-Cata world. That's not what was promoted initially.
$155 if you sub in 6 month chunks
Look at it this way - they want former subscribers to come back and resubscribe for the full $15 a month subscription, but Blizzard is to cheap to hire designated GMs to handle the RARE loot issues in Classic wow...So they are forcing loot sharing on Classic, not to mention sharding which is also being cheap.
So, if Blizzard is so cheap and cant even hire GMs for Classic...why charge the full sub price? I only want to play Classic. I would pay 15 for a respectable Classic server, with some GMs, no loot sharing, no sharding, but we are getting none of that. So why expect full price on a half assed job. Its a joke, just like their stupid mobile Diablo game.
It's not a 14 or 15 year old game, it's a brand new one. I do agree however that there should have been a cheaper "Classic Only" sub.
It's not a 14 or 15 year old game, it's a brand new one. I do agree however that there should have been a cheaper "Classic Only" sub.
Now that the company is actiblizzard it's not too surprising they would go with the maximum fee possible for a game over a decade old that's complete. Blizzard is one of the few companies that can get away with this kind of thing as they have enough die-hard loyalists.
11/03/2018 04:32 PMPosted by
Hexagon
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This ^ #worthit
What part of "don't want to play retail" don't you people understand? Retail is garbage.
Has been garbage.
Cata was the last straw for me because I enjoyed the vanilla experience so much.
But if you prefer, we can break down the monies.
I paid the box price for vanilla.
Just like, I paid the box price for many other games that are constantly online. Some with regular updates (GW2)
Once classic is released and the bugs are fixed, it will get no more updates.
(Low overhead)
This makes blizzard not just a revenue based corporation (their other tactics display this)
It makes them visably greedy. THey are fleecing a specific market.
Its shady af.
I do not and will not pay for retail. Its crap and I don't support crap.
Six of one. Half a dozen of the other.
You do not allocate what blizz does with their money.
You are paying blizzard. Not just wow classic blizzard.
Don't play live if you don't like it. No one is forcing you to click that button.
Wow. Really. You just realized blizzard has been making games for 30 years for profit? Lol
So combined subs is when the lightbulb went on? Really? Lmfao.
And we expect blizz to take every shred of "feedback" seriously. With gems like that? Yea. Uh huh.
If its the classic I want, hell yea I am going to pay. Server and staff cost isnt free guy.
The game isn't 14 years old, though. It hasn't even come out and is still being developed.
Do people realize this isn't literally Vanilla WoW?
Is this real?
I'm not paying $180 a year for ANY game,let alone a almost 15 year old game that doesn't get content updates.
This is a bad move by blizzard,and it will definitely effect the amount of people playing classic.
They should have cut the sub price in half at the least.
If I was planning on playing for 5 years,that is $900.
let that sink into your head for a second...$900 to play a 14+ year old game for 5 years.
You could buy 60 games at $15 each for that amount of money,there is no way classic is worth that much.
You have to be some kind of wow addict if you think this is a fair price.
You have to be a bum on the streets if you can't afford $15 to go to the movies ONCE a month. Pretty sure i get a lot more entertainment value with my $15 bux going to a classic wow sub instead !
Blizzard is a company, their goal is to make profit, they are paying their employees to develop Classic, it can't be free.
People excuse a lot of bad corporate behavior with "their goal is to make money." Corporations have mission statements. That is their corporate goal, not the mere acquisition of capital. Now, a company may not adhere to their mission statement, but nevertheless, the purpose of a company is embodied in that statement.
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.htmlIf a company is not holding to their mission statement, it is more than reasonable to criticize them for that.
A public company like Blizzard has an obligation to its stockholders, though this is not their 'goal'. If the company loses value by, say, making a product free for everyone, they have failed that obligation. But keep in mind that the value of a company is not just their financial bottom line. The good will of a customer base, the value of the branding, and so on, are also assets.
Blizzard is a company, their goal is to make profit, they are paying their employees to develop Classic, it can't be free.
People excuse a lot of bad corporate behavior with "their goal is to make money." Corporations have mission statements. That is their corporate goal, not the mere acquisition of capital. Now, a company may not adhere to their mission statement, but nevertheless, the purpose of a company is embodied in that statement.
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html
If a company is not holding to their mission statement, it is more than reasonable to criticize them for that.
Enough people criticized EA for the battlefront controversy that it forced change. Unfortunately the retail blizz community is similar to apple community in the idea that they'll defend anything and pay absurd amounts for overpriced products. Then have the audacity to call anyone who doesn't pay outrageous prices cheapskates or make strawman arguments like paying more for beer in a month.
I don't know, I just payed 5 whole dollars for Gmod, and that will work for as long as I have internet. If I play that for 5 years 2 hours a day, I will only have payed a tenth of a penny a day to play it, so about 3 pennies a month in comparison to wow which is $15 a month + price for the game. Or maybe I'll just go play league of Legends for free. But you're right, this pay to win game really isn't worth it anymore.
They should have cut the sub price in half at the least.
A T -
L E A S T - half?
Oh how generous of an opinion [
insert sarcasm] - how well thought out, especially with not including the server costs with the social and tech support.
Personally I think if the costs includes paying for investigators to
ban gold-buyer accounts... so be it (I bet you are one of those - so the more reason to).