12.1.0 Holy Priest Feedback

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@Linxy

Holy

• Flash Heal mana cost reduced by 10%.
• Prayer of Healing mana cost reduced by 10%.
• Apex Talent: Benediction healing increased by 15%.
• Apex Talent: Benediction (Rank 3) has been updated – Apotheosis no longer upgrades Flash Heal to Benediction. Holy Word: Serenity now has a 100% chance to upgrade your next Flash Heal to Benediction.
• Developers’ notes: We want to address Benediction’s performance by spreading its availability beyond Apotheosis and Prayer of Mending. Additionally, we are increasing the throughput of Benediction, so its impact is felt and contributes more to Holy’s overall throughput. Lastly, we want to further lessen how expensive the rotation of Holy is by specifically targeting Flash Heal and Prayer of Healing.

So I see that we are addressing the Mana Issues slightly. This still does not address Holy Priest’s inability to regain mana during a raid encounter or boss encounter in M+. Not that you have done anything to improve Holy Priests viability in M+ either.

I still question the reason we have our Tier Set Bonus surrounding Renew.

This is going to become a point of contention within the community.

You have a tier set by all means and measure, is extremely unpopular because what we are going to have to worry about is a spell’s uptime that we have no control over, and have to invest a chunk of Talent points into, in order to have a functioning tier set Bonus.

While I appreciate the mana changes, this doesn’t solve the root issue of mana management, a tier set that is completely based in RNG Healing factors unless you Talent appropriately to make a guarantee, nor does it address Holy Priests Viability in M+.

With only so many weeks left, I don’t forsee you all making any meaningful changes to the spec. Which means I will be marching my Holy Feet into the 12.1.5 PTR forum and continuing to advocate for Holy Priests, which honestly have deserved a lot more effort than you have put into it over the years.

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@Hawthourne-stormrage

Numerically I think our tierset will be decently strong - stronger than the current one, even.

From their stated goals of wanting something engaging, it does seem like a bizarre choice.

Regarding today’s changes, I’m glad our apex talent crawled a little closer to good. I still can’t believe 2&3 apex talents are aura buffs.

Nuke that 12% and give us one or two of the spells or interactions we’ve been asking for for years. Lets us boost HP as an effective DR or make Inspiration apply to more than just physical damage. Give Oracle something iconic (cascade?). Make Restitution and GS no longer a choice node. Give us back the ability to sacrifice our life in SoR form to battle rez. Let us move while channeling Divne Hymn. Make sanctify good numerically and no longer ground targeted. Make our 13 PoM talents actually interesting, so PoMs do more things than just stack higher or heal for more, or alternatively make spells cast on targets with a PoM do more things.

Hell, get really wild. Bring back lightwell redesigned as the old Well of Existence azerite essence but make it trigger automatically a la Echoing Tyrstone. Give us a talent that lets guardian spirit intervene and sacrifice itself to remove a DoT. Give us Holy Ward back but for PvE and expand it to include knockbacks, forced movement, and roots. Let us acquire a counterspell talent, to remove void-based heal absorbs. Let Levitate prevent damage from ground effects.

You have two talent points that are basically worthless outside of the aura buff they convey. Snip them and make changes - something actually good - that adds up to 12% of our healing.

Thank you for responding and I will expand upon my post that I made in your feedback thread with the feedback you provided.

While it may be numerically sound, which it very well may be. It just seems to be a step down from our current tier set. Which I know I may be in the minority when it comes to that, but the current tier set at least benefits from spells that we can actively cast and have in our spell book.

This just brings us to a pain point as well because Prayer of Mending, has yet to receive a meaningful buff to make it worth investing in when it comes to Archon. While we do invest some talent points into it, Oracle Holy Priest fully invest into it. So it creates some friction or even some weird talent choices as Prayer of Mending is supposed to be the other way we spread renew outside of our Holy Words. Which makes me look at the bottom 3 rows and wonder how we are going to nickel and dime ourselves to be proficient with this tier set. Again this is more of how it looks on Paper. I have been trying to get in and test, but life has been rather busy on my end at the moment.

Though I do agree, the flat Aura buffs in two out of our 4 talent points is rather insulting. I would rather see more interaction with the base kit over flat aura buffs, but I don’t see how we are going to get to that point without major changes, which they have seemed to be extremely reluctant to do for the Holy Priest Spec.