wow really? were people strong enough to do that though, i remember doing that, but like Wrath or later.
Do you have a video showing how the NPCs in 1.5 AV didn’t let you ride by them? I never played 1.5 AV and I’m really curious how Blizzard had so many NPCs with AI that didn’t allow players to bypass them.
I don’t know how strong you have to be to just use some ranged thing to grab aggro and then run away. Just need to make sure that the main tank grabs Vann/Drek before the Generals/Warmasters reset. Which isn’t complicated.
And you couldn’t individually aggro them in Wrath. That was changed in 2.3.0. By the way the stacking buff wasn’t added until 2.4.0. So, again, no reason to kill them towers. So if 1.12 AV is used, it’s such an easy zerg.
Server-only, elite, days-long AV is the only great thing about vanilla that isn’t available today on live. Blizz should just take a vaniila variant of AV that was the best, 1.5 or whichever it was, and put it into live… then there literally would be no reason to play classic.
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The point is that it is MORE like retail than 1.5. How are you and galdor not understanding that concept?
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It’s more that that’s not a relevant issue. The changes from 1.5 to 1.12 were all positive, whereas what’s in retail now is worse than what was in 1.12.
To be fair, Ziryus, what’s better or worse in cases like this is highly subjective.
Besides, we don’t even know if Blizzard really did do this because they thought it was the best version. For all we know, they wanted to do 1.5 AV but couldn’t because the data got overwritten during the patch process, and rather than resort to pserver levels of tampering just to give us a poor facimile they decided to go straight 1.12 in the name of authenticity.
Imagine having to be the Blue poster who’d have to break THAT news – the forums would lynch them harder than they already are. Don’t deny it – you know it’s true. This is probably the only lie they’ve told this entire project.
Of course, I may be wrong, but we may never know for sure.
That’s certainly possible and there are clearly people who like 1.5 AV, how much of that is because they think it’s better vs it’s just the first version of AV they knew is up for debate.
As for the changes blizzard made, the vast majority of the changes they made in vanilla were in response to very real problems. And I think the AV changes were part of those changes, they saw that it was a battle ground with very poor participation for various reasons and fixed it.
Not denying that, but at the same time I don’t feel like going to war over this like with the sharding business. Hell I don’t even like going to war over that – unreasonable people literally give me cluster headaches.
I would have liked to see the 1.5 AV, personally. I wanted to see one of those epic battles for myself. But, I guess it just wasn’t meant to be. Oh well.
If the PVPers in Classic want to recreate that, they can just, I dunno, fight mid for a few days rather than do the objectives. Unless of course Blizzard pull a miracle out of their butts and actually DO have the 1.5 data to give us, in which case they probably should.
I would be totally in favor of blizzard offering both versions of AV to queue for, let people choose what they like. 1.5 AV is something that would be fun to do once in awhile or maybe just once.
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That would be inauthentic as well. You should only have one or the other. Not both.
I understand that the removal of the NPCs and the changes to the map make it “more like retail” than 1.5 AV; they still have very little in common. It’s also completely irrelevant to me.
I want the most complete version of AV possible with all the bug fixes and positive changes that came in later patches that didn’t remove pieces of the original AV.
I don’t care about it being as far away from BfA as possible. I care about it being the version I think will be the most enjoyable. Those two things are not synonymous to me.
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1.12 is literally the version with the most missing and most changes from 1.5. Part of the map is gone. I want more content not less. If they could make a 1.5-1.7 I see that as the version people think of when they think of vanilla AV. I want the version most conducive to the old war stories of hours long battles. 1.12 is the least likely to give me that.
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I want that too, but I doubt Blizzard even has it.
Remember, prior to TBC patches that changed something directly, overwrote the previous data. None of it got archived.
“Warts and All”
(Save things that Zyrius, AV aficionado, considers “very real problems” such as “NPCs too many and too hard” and “Gross”)
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We’re getting 1.12 AV warts and all.
Don’t even bother with him dude. It’s not worth the aggravation.
I miss how the original AV was more of a long drawn out war with shifting front lines, tactical skirmishes, epic NPC encounters, and felt like open world PvP rather than a quick play match. You weren’t just grinding rep or honor, but rather joining the battle against your enemies.
1.12 AV is a sprint to the finish to quickly get free gear on AV weekend.
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Again, I doubt this was honestly a choice Blizzard even had. They might have wanted to give us 1.5 AV but found themselves unable to because the data for it is likely gone.
As someone who doesn’t know squat about making video games how hard would it be to add the areas missing and throw some npcs back in and buff them? At the very least add more to 1.12 and buff them.
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