i only pvp, so im not sure how this would pertain to pve, but im assuming it is a major nerf as well. our vanish will no longer reset our cool downs by 30 seconds. to me that seems like a major nerf. will it be made up through the damage in the minor buffs they are giving to the talent tree? or is this just a major L at every angle. im trying to see the silver lining that they might be taking away the vanish cooldown but the extra seconds on dance make up for it and they are also taking away sepsis on sub, which makes no sense. are the changes they are making to the talen tree going to be a nice buff or is this the same reason i quit 12 years ago because rogue is useless after only a couple months of playing?
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Major L. They made me type the rest of these words.
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Sub Rogue feel so weak now after the nerf. We actually lose almost half dmg since our dance is constantly not coming back on time. I dont know why they also nerf our heal soothing darkness if they already remove the CDR. Now shadow dance dont even heal anymore. We already struggle on damage in teamfight. Now even worst. Those symbol of death charge and buff only 6% dmg is laughable. Blizzard need to unnerf deepen shadow which reduce by 1s to combo point spent to get our dance back fast or you wont see any more Sub rogue like pre patch.
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What do you mean dance isnt coming back on time?
You are correct and I tested such things on the PTR and I had similar observations too. I suspect that Sub will see a mini rework for patch 11.1.
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I mean Blizzard can nerf it to 50% like Dragon flight season 4 when Sub is not even viable. That way it doesnt reset gouge and kick and kidney so it wont be that OP. Blizzard buff it to 22second cdr in pvp at start season TWW and now they decided to remove it. We were fine at S tier last season but Blizzard buff Sub to god tier now with remove Cdr we go down to A tier. While all class has more survival this xpac, Rogue keep getting nerf to the ground for the last few patch. What we have for exchange CDR nerf, a Fient with off global cd. WTH. Dont make me mention those hero talent break CC. This expac is unplayable.
Btw, if Blizzard remove CDR the. They should unnerf soothing darkness, unnerf thief bargain, unnerf Deepen shadow, unnerf shadow blade unnerf shadow dance.
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Did you test out the new Flagellation/SC? People are already complaining Sub is back to globaling people apparently with the talent changes.
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Yes but that isn’t going to last long. One shot builds do not really have much longevity.
Sub needed to retain some of its tools to survive in PVP.
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Yea I’m curious to see where this design is going to go. I was just about to level my rogue. The CDR being gone definitely feels weird, but in fairness sub was kind of immortal before - and a class probably shouldn’t be designed around shoving their defensive’s haphazardly without much punishment for it.
It seems we’re back to the design of great control, meh consistent damage via rupture, Good goes with symbols/dance, and 1-shot goes with Blades/Flag
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Wish they would just get rid of Flag at this point. It doesn’t thematically make sense and we kept getting weird interactions with it.
They keep giving Sub these weird extra attacks that thematically belong in other specs (Sepsis for example) even thought Sub arguably already has a very thematic and useful version of these “Secret Technique”
And everything feels like it’s struggling to find some way to balance Shadow Dance somehow while complicating the spec even more.