It won’t kill classic, it will be a bruise on classic though.
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1.5-1.10 lasted a lot longer than 1.12. Try again.
1.8 - 1.12 lasted longer then 1.5…
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Please stop biting his obvious bait.
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Fair point. I have to admit it is pretty hard to resist, when he is posting in every AV thread, trolling people who want an authentic experience, on multiple different characters, and claiming how great the private servers he’s played on were.
Everyone is being just a bit melodramatic over this crap. It’s gonna be AV 1.12, get over it and move on with your life.
They also said Classic was never going to happen, and to get over it and move on with our lives then too. But, with enough demand, Blizz caves in to their sensibilities. They can do the same for AV.
I’m not actually disagreeing with you, because I think 1.5 would bd really fun.
That said, it was changed during Vanilla for a reason. And that reason was… people weren’t playing it.
I have yet to hear any supporters of 1.5 AV explain why 1.5 will be a roaring success THIS TIME, when history tells us it was a flop in Vanilla and had to be patched with in a month of release.
“I liked it” is not persuasive. I liked it too, but apparently we were in a distinct minority.
Well one, the game was still pretty small back then, no?
Two, people hadn’t actively gone into doing PvP. Especially BGs. Since 1.5 was when BGs were released.
Three, people were still trying to gear a lot for their raids and such, and AV was not at all a viable gear source.
Actually not even sure if you could even get gear from doing AV in 1.5. Will have to fact check that one. I can’t remember when you could start buying PvP gear.
Kill, no.
Potentially push away some PVPers, yes.
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I am not looking to make it anything more than it was in the earlier patches. I and many others want the older one and it is closer to what the original intent was. It needs no more justification than that. It is something that you cannot get anymore, as opposed to 1.12 which is virtually identical to what you can find today in live.
I don’t agree with Jawah, but I legitimately have no clue what you are trying to say in this post.
EDIT: I’m not trying to be rude or saying what you’ve written isn’t a good argument. I just don’t understand it at all. Maybe I’ve had too much wine.
It sounds to me like he’s telling Espressobean to suck it up because 1.12 is what we’re getting.
Dude, you may be right. 1.5 AV for hours and hours and hours might be the thing that Classic is missing.
But it might not.
I would say there’s a better than average chance that history would repeat itself and that if players were given 1.5 AV they would not play it and not like it. Players are pretty predictable.
You, on the other hand, are making a much bigger bet based not history, but solely on your opinion. You are saying that not only was 1.5 better, but that the lack of it will kill the whole game.
That’s not great odds.
Fearmongering is the hip thing now. Look at all the youtubers with their clickbait, “Classic will DIE because of THIS feature!”
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I haven’t seen any titles like that except from Alexsensual.
I just don’t want to play Retail with a Classic logo.
Honestly if we are just going to have the same three BGs that we have in Retail, what is even the point in PvPing in Classic over Retail?
Classic PvP should be its own unique experience. Not Retail: Reskinned.
I think your definitions of Classic and Vanilla are problematic.
I never heard this amount fury when it was announced that survival hunters aren’t getting the Lacerate talent from the original game. Because that was bad game design and they fixed it in later patches.
That same logic applies when you look at the changes to AV. They were struggling to get players to play original AV so they changed it. Just like they changed Lacerate.
But now you are suddenly wanting a Frankenpatch of only the parts YOU think are best. Original intent is not important or you’d be just as adament that Lacerate must be in the game as well. But you don’t actually care about original intent at all, except when it applies to AV.
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Sorry no 1.12 AV won’t kill classic, you clearly have a skewed vision of Classic AV. Firstly AV was most liked because it gave the best honor and if you played alliance your chances of winning AV vs WSG or AB was much better. Also AV que times varied from like 30 minutes to an hour so your would play WSG and AB while you waited for AV que to pop and kicked yourself if you had to afk and missed the que lol. And I hate to break it to you but after you played your first AV turtle game that lasted 2 days when you got to see all the cool npc’s get summoned, by the second 2 day AV game you were just over it. Horde needed to turtle sometimes for the quest which was changed in 1.12 and many folks just wanted to win an AV to get the ice barbed spear. It was a mess with conflicting objectives on both sides. Many alliance would just leave as soon as the horde started turtling cause we just wanted to quick honor points and didn’t want to spend 2 hours to 2 days in AV. This is an actual clear case of you being stuck on the nostalgia of a classic experience vs how it actual was if you approach AV from a realistic perspective.
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yea what he said