I mean theres patch players and theres people who play wow
Nobody wants to or has time to run opening patch raids in order to catch up to get to end game raids. There’s a reason why nobody does that anymore. It’s a cute soundbyte, but it’s not reality.
Which expac started catch up gear and “welfare epics”? Oh right, it was WOTLK, the expansion everyone swears up and down really was just better and not because they were 10-17 when they played it.
People have been making this claim for 18 years, and yet here you are, still not on “life support”
it’s almost like this is a 7th grade homeroom and people trying to be the most obnoxious to be popular lol…
Its amazing you think this is specific to retail.
i feel like the opposite is true that its even worse going into a new teir knowing that only one or two pieces are actually going to worth something to you. take tbc hunter for instance it felt great knowing the first teir trinkets were my bis for most of the exansion…so much fun
Dont get me wrong, i enjoy ffxiv, but they did a money grab allowing people to spend real money to bypass catchup content. Wow just lets people do it, because the end game is ,for the most part, the end all be all for most mmo players. Wow has been out for so long, that the amount of content they would have to update in order to make every expansions content relevant would be a huge gamble with the devs time. Of course there are people who would play it, but the second there is an issue with the newer content they would get slews of “why is blizzard working on their old stuff when their new stuff is so buggy” comments. They really cant win, so the best busniness strategy is to continue working on new content instead of trying to polish everything else.
Think guild wars does this pretty well with being able to repeat quests in old areas and taking you back to collect items for achievements, bounties, crafting, events.
always has been
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Why would retail take tips from its inferior cousin? I don’t play that garbage for a reason.
Spoken like a true zoomer. You fail to understand the parallel because you are thinking one dimensionally
I’ve been playing WoW since Vanilla. Old WoW was good at the time compared to what was around back then, but compared to retail now, old WoW is terrible.
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Objectively terrible you mean. Tons are enjoying it still to its this day.
Why do you think that is?
A few examples: No holding hands of factions, no obnoxious cows sneaking around, the world was and actual world vs taking a billion portals, gear wasn’t a literal slot machine that you will never win. A zoo of obnoxious mounts that have no business being there according to lore. It’s like a circus. I could go on and on.
Retail has been this way since WotLK. It isn’t going to change. Accept it, or go play classic.
The pro’s/con’s have been stated many times before.
The pro’s are that you’re able to get the entire playerbase on the same page so that there’s more player interaction, and people aren’t left behind. You don’t run into a vanilla Naxx issue where only 50ish guilds even see the final boss of the game. It also means that someone who jumps in late, can immediately get into the end-game action with their friends.
The con’s are that… well… every time a patch comes out, everything before it becomes completely obsolete and meme tier difficulty. The power progression is so great that you utterly obliterate prior season content. The game isn’t so much about the journey, but is instead entirely about the destination.
That’s basically it. If you want a long drawn out journey, play classic. If you want an action packed high difficulty experience, play retail. If you want both… play another game.
Edit: And before you judge me as a retail shill… I’m currently enjoying my hardcore journey in classic… I like both versions of wow, but for very different reasons.
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I think the gear resets on a patch-to-patch basis make investing in a character feel worse than it should.
Theres always been new gear in a new patch, but before, your heroic raid gear wasnt suddenly rendered obsolete by some idiot running a +5 dungeon.
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This is my personal point that I like to focus on. I haven’t felt invested in my character in years.
Obviously what is and isn’t terrible is subjective opinion. Classic (to me) is a snoozefest. Classic has very little to do and what there is to do is brain-dead easy. The combat is simplistic with boring one-button gameplay, and the game in general is full of annoyances that have been fixed in retail. Botting and bots in general is much more common in Classic than in retail.
Sorry, but people have changed and don’t want to play through 2 patches of old content before they’re allowed to dabble in the new endgame.
I’m sure people who buy carries every patch are furious that their gear isn’t good forever but we press on despite them.
Yea, and after 5-6 months in a raid or set of dungeons its nice to not have to go back for awhile
The problem is similar to much of modern American society.
You mention Achvs, pets, toys, mounts, xmog… and they just say “meh… that doesn’t count.”
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Jokes on you, I’m not even playing the patch.