REFORGED NEWS Drought ENDED - Art Reveal

[NagaRylGuard-2559]

To be honest I really wish it to be the otherway, someone can also easily make a Jaina that looks like WoW versions or even export it from WoW or HotS which is also alot easier than making the model directly. As long as Reforged makes the Wc3 versions but in high defination WoW designs are easy peasy

[Triceron-1519]

Thats even easier since WoW models can be imported into the game

[NagaRylGuard-2559]

Exactly as I said, it was abit harder back then when the ‘ripping’ first started we did not know much about m2 but especially since jm2converter got released and alot of information always coming from wowdev wiki it is just a one click conversion from .m2 to .mdx

[EternalShade-11762]

Im pretty sure they will gice you the modelling resources that LemonSky or Blizzard uses so you can make models thay “fit in” with the games graphics

[EternalShade-11762]

We are nearing the 7 month mark since reveal by June 2nd.

In about 10 days.

Hopefully some news come out by July 4th

[Kantarion-2902]

But Triceron dont you get it man, there is multiply versions of Jaina in WoW and Hots with multiply skins.
Still theres no yet highpolly Jaina just like wc3 one,nor in warcraft franchise games nor arstation or cgi industry
Thats why i think remaking her like wc3 model would be kinda a wise decision, and it would be kinda unique.
So basically we need that uniquness
We need uniquness of Arachnatid model (creep scorpion). Nowewhere in whole industry that unique scorpion model like wc3 exist.
Also Lost ones from wc3 have some special sharm. And so on, there are few really unique models

[KingOmelette-1782]

@Kantarion-2902

Rather say they threw original wc3 models out of concept for Reforged

No, see. This isn’t accurate. Without the original Warcraft 3 model, they wouldn’t have had anything to iterate on between 2002 and 2019. There’s a clear evolution off the base design. Not “throwing it out”.

It’s why she has a hood instead of a pointy hat. A staff instead of a wand. Flare pants and a weird bustier-type thing instead of wizard robes. It’s all sourced back to her initial Warcraft 3 appearance.

@Kantarion-2902

Actual dimensions? Why should i care about dimensions when that cape is just copy-paste from Hots.

Because you’re trying to tell me it’s a direct copy-paste and I’m telling you it isn’t because the proportions are different and the style of it is notably different.

@Kantarion-2902

And yes theres a Hots model with runes, if you really wanna go defend runes.

Nope. I have the game open right now. It’s not on any palette swaps of her base model or any of her skins. Her cloak just has extra gold gilding. The Arcanist Jaina skin has some patterning on the cloak, but no runes.
https://i.imgur.com/IdjvwSm.jpg

@Kantarion-2902

We are talking about quality of texture or sculpt level probably, one of those. Its not well made.

You’re going to have to be more specific, still.

@Kantarion-2902

Its not wise to use it because of animations in first hand if you want. And in concept way if you want - it is totally unecessery to have inner dress, cause wc3 model doesnt have it too.

“Because of animations in first hand” meaning what exactly?

And again, Jaina the character has been around for 17 years. All her original design elements (majority of her silhouette, colour palette, defining features, etc.) are still present. Just expanded upon. They’re taking the Heroes of the Storm approach of going for the most ‘iconic’ look for the characters from their era.

@Kantarion-2902

Its not lack of animation btw

I dunno. Arthas’ hair is all plastered onto the model and static except for the loose strands in front. If you watch The Culling’s cutscenes from Reforged, you can see the sides of it squashing and stretching as his head moves.

@Kantarion-2902

Its not about haircut curly or wavy style, its about position of hair bangs and they should be more diluted.

All I’m really getting from the bangs is that they’re swept to the right now instead of the left.

@Kantarion-2902

Sorry Hose,its under your brain wave radar

Also if you want to make a dig at someone’s intelligence, you should probably spell ‘José’ correctly and make sure you’re using the right form of ‘it’s’. You want the apostrophe version because you’re saying “it is under your brain wave radar”.

@Kantarion-2902

its made intentionally, and it give some magician misticism to Jaina.
Remember Samwise quotes about heroic poses ? Its a brillliant mix of wc3 animations, but not only animations.

Yeah because her having a light, still breezy outfit with a hood, runed cloak, and staff with a crystal setting in the top doesn’t do the job of demonstrating “this is a spellcaster”.

@Kantarion-2902

And the most important part agaisnt kneepads is : Look at Jaina boots in wc3 model, you will understand she dont need kneepads if you add those boots.

But they didn’t go for the boot style, so that’s why the knees are there. Sure we could probably agree that both might be a bit much or whatever, but you’re explaining their design choices plainly enough and yet not understanding why they did it except personal bias.

@Kantarion-2902

But all in one i had to point out, cause together all those “small details” you wanna call them and ignore their appareance make Reforged model a total disaster together as whole.

A “total disaster” is completely subjective. She reads like Jaina and isn’t impossible to recognize. Hell I’ll even pass you the ball here. Reforged Jaina is a lot closer in design to her Warcraft 3 appearance than 2004 - 2017 for her in-game model for World of Warcraft.

@Kantarion-2902

Open up a wc3 model and check textures.

You realize the average person/majority of people aren’t going to bust out their 3D art programs and take a magnifying glass over every detail of the assets? I’m going off in-game. In Warcraft 3 you can’t see squat on her gloves, they’re just black with some lighter grey highlights.

@Kantarion-2902

What you just said is very arogant and humiliating old wc3 models , literally calling them sqaure usless polygons that are usless to be used for remaster of a game.

Let’s be honest, now. 17 years ago they were a lot more impressive. They’re no less charming or distinct now, but they certainly aren’t of a tremendous quality or make anymore.

@Kantarion-2902

Sure, show me 1 picture of Reforged Jaina where her armor is light color and not blkack.

https://i.imgur.com/yGWP9Bu.jpg
This is a shot from the gameplay trailer that’s from the daytime. The only other real footage of Jaina we have right now, I think?. The breastplate/bustier is barely there but you can more clearly tell on the shoulders.

@Kantarion-2902

Ye they share same universe. But you always forget that wc3 is source of those games

They don’t exist in a bubble. Mechanically in terms of gameplay, sure. Everything else, not really.

@Kantarion-2902

P.S And about your quoting of every sentence, it is irritating.

That’s unfortunate.

@Kantarion-2902

Reforge is wc3 dude.

Functionally, yes. But it’s been clear since day 1 of the announcement that they’re bringing Warcraft 3 back up to speed with Warcraft when it comes to the present aesthetic and some of the canon stuff. Like Stratholme’s appearance.

[NagaRylGuard-2559]

You amaze me with your ignorance man…

[KingOmelette-1782]

That is also unfortunate.

[Ababmer-2236]

the lack of news has driven us to such antagonism

deep breathes my children

[Triceron-1519]

Either you have the original model or you don’t. Every ‘remake’ is an interpretation, no matter how close you get. The closest is literally keeping it polygonal like the original and just increasing texture resolution.

I’ve seen fan remakes. I’ve even made some myself. But none of that is surefire a remake. It’s all interpretation. I’ve made a rifleman model, armies of azeroth has their own, and both are similar-yet-different takes on the same original WC3 unit. Which would you consider the remake? Both? Neither? One better than the other?

In the end, art is subjective, and we will like/dislike what we think. Personally I’m fine with the HOTS model being a definitive ‘War3 Jaina if upressed’, but a lot of people would disagree with me because of slight changes here and there. Well, even if someone else modified it to be even closer to War3, there would still be people who criticize the size of her boobs or the flare or her blouse etc.

It’s all up to interpretation.

Even this is interpretation.

Right now, the closest thing we have to upressed War3 models are the hero models they remade for SC2, and frankly those are pretty terrible quality.

[NagaRylGuard-2559]

@Triceron-1519

Right now, the closest thing we have to upressed War3 models are the hero models they remade for SC2, and frankly those are pretty terrible quality.

Isn’t them being terrible subjective too?

[Triceron-1519]

The quality of the art is terrible. They stick pretty close to the original design, but the textures resolutions are fairly low and muddy, and the polycount is SC2-grade, which is practically 10 years old tech at this point in time.

Some units they didn’t even bother finishing. If I recall correctly, the Warden’s alphas on her cloak-spikes weren’t even applied correctly, and you saw black boxes around each spike. The normal maps were also flipped on some of the character’s faces, so one half looked fine but the other side looked weird; likely because they overlapped the two halves of the face texture to save space.

As low res as SC2 units are today, they cut a lot of corners on those WC3 units which made it worse. The best ones were the Horde models they showed off at Blizzcon, the rest were kind of half-assed.

[Ababmer-2236]

Lol yeah the WC3HD models for SC2 were very basic.

Reforged models are 2019 polycount but heads are a bit too small and the texture resolution on everything shown in the culling demo was very low.

As passionate as everyone here is, we’ve been rendered unable to give feedback on the model progession for this game due to their complete radio silence for 7 months.

We’re just gonna have to wait until the reveal

[NagaRylGuard-2559]

I think they still are the best human hero models to this day, but if we are to talk about Orc’s nothing beats WAA’s Horde

[EternalShade-11762]

Link to orc models? P

[Joaquinuve-2979]

@EternalShade-11762

[NagaRylGuard-2559]

Never forget the Tauren Chieftain:
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[Ababmer-2236]

Theyre too low-poly and lack the technological advancements of the modern era.

[NagaRylGuard-2559]

Like extra big shoulders Reforged version has? Thanks but no if that is ‘modern features’