I’m well aware that nothing exists in a vaccum, however, when I look at all the other issues that still need to be addressed, this feels trivial by comparison, and quite frankly I would have been unaware of it entirely had you not mentioned it.
Fine details do matter, but right now we would like a “good” experience, and then they can take it from there. We don’t even have “good” yet. Things like a ranked system that actually works as intended and don’t outright strip fun from the game. Those icons are like extra jimmies on your sundae. We deserve them and we should have them, but we need the rest of the sundae first.
Just because it doesn’t crash doesn’t mean its a minor nitpick.
I’m sorry, it really is a nitpick. I agree 100% that presentation is important, but I don’t agree that the absence of this facet of the presentation is significantly detracting from the experience. Like I said, I didn’t even notice until it was pointed out, and that’s likely a common situation. On the whole, I think the revised score screen is cleaner and presents the important information in an improved way over the original, which, at least to me, outweighs the absence of the race icons. Meaning that, adding up the sum of its parts, I think the score screen is improved (particularly thanks to being able to access the replays right there). That being said, I do like the idea of adding a graphic of the race you played in the background that was suggested at your link.
I jumped into this conversation highlighting an issue from my perspective and how even after the bug fixes things like this is never going to get fixed.
Your reply is that you first push back on it by saying its a nit pick and unimportant, then move on to say its probably good if it gets fixed but its not a priority.
The problem with these responses is that i never talked about priorities, i just said X was missing and it hurts me that it wont come back. also, if i disagree with your thoughts on which thing should or shouldn’t be prioritized (which i disagree) your thoughts on what is or isn’t important really doesn’t hold any weight in this conversation.
Especially so because when opening up this topic i didn’t start with “lmao this should be num1 priority to be fixed wtf blizzard kek” and instead just highlighted something that was undone when it has 0 reason to be undone. no one sat down in Blizzard and said “lets remove this because its bad”. they just didn’t do it because they didn’t care.
I view the game as a whole with only a surface level of prioritization, and i do this specifically as a counter response to all the people in the forums who only care about 1 specific thing that affects them and dont care about the rest. do with that what you will
I may just be the most reaosnable person on this whole _____ forum. I also don’t flame people and call them names like you do. People who know how to have civilized debates and discussions get along just fine with me. Be aware that I will flag any and all posts with namecalling, so you probably should take your own advice and block me.
But that’s what you get when you don’t write " BLIZZARD you " every other post around here. If you doin’t ride the hate train, you’re a “bootlicker.”
100% false. I am analyitcal and consider all sides of issues and fomulate opinions based on the available information. I may often disagree with people but that doesn’t mean I don’t understand or respect them.
One of my primary pet peeves, which I fully admit to, is people making mountains out of molehills. I.e. exaggerating the truth of an issue, usually in order to convince someone that something needs changing. Priorities are important to me as well, and with how broken the game has been, I have always advocated for the most substantial issues to be addressed first.
Just because I make a case that XYZ issue is minor doesn’t mean I don’t think it’s an issue at all, doesn’t mean i’m satisfied with the state of the game, and doesn’t mean i’m a white knight / bootlicker / whatever other inappropriate name you want to think up. You act as if I go around this forum saying BLIZZARD IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD AND DOES NO WRONG when that isn’t true at all.
I can absolutely be reasoned with. Anyone can reason with me, if they actually USE reasoning. Funny enough, Me and the other user before you showed up had already come to an understanding. So why you felt the need to come in here and attack me is beyond me.
Most of this thread may be a frustrated reaction at a personal attack but the takeaway here is that if you act civilized, we can get along just fine. I, like most people do not respond well to insults and name calling.
I have spoken about many issues in the past. Networking issues, disk space issues, etc. In all of these cases, I understood fully that different issues affect everyone differently. Which is why I speak of priorities. I have always recognized that other people may have issues that I don’t, and vice versa. What I tried to make a case for is what issues were the most substantial i.e. affected the overall quality of the game the most.
In some cases, like the disk space issue, my view was that it was more of an inconvenience, versus things like the absense of custom campaigns and ranked play, which were core features the game originally had that were subsequently missing when reforged came out. However, in making the case that those things should be the team’s priority, I also recognize (and recognizeD) that many of these other issues adversely affected the game for others, even if they didn’t matter that much to me.
Anyway I guess what I’m getting at here is that apparently people don’t seem to think so (I honestly don’t know whay) but I absolutely do care about all the issues, not just the ones that impact me on a personal level. Even if I view something as more important than something else, all of it has a base level of importance and none of it should be ignored outright.
It is my hope that with the core features restored to the game (after 2 whole gears) that more updates will come and address many of the issues that while perhaps aren’t critical, would make many people happier.
I wont be interrupting your possible debate with Andrenaso however i think its important to highlight in the aftermath of our arguments about a light-weight mode one my major critiques against you was that if you dont see anyone highlighting some extreme ego filled prioritization demand, maybe you shouldn’t really get involved in that thread because it will look like you’re trying to cast it aside.
In any case i think you changed for the better, maybe i changed with you while that was happening. there were worse times. i’m not going to comment against you outrightly because i think you’ve reached a certain point of self awareness and would probably iron out problems on your own.
Yesterday i was thinking to myself why do i have to argue with Captain Jack about Scorescreen features when it should have launched with the game on day 0.
Before Reforged, if some random patch broke these, it would be clearly identified as a bug. but because we throw in a funny label (Reforged) and some marketting its suddenly different now ? well, maybe because the Blizzard marketting team fooled everyone very well and now we have people thinking if only X CEO provided the project with infinite money things would’ve been better. the idealism of these people surpass my frustrated demands against all odds to leave no stone unturned.
I see post 1.32 as just another patch, Reforged is still more Warcraft 3 Reign of Chaos and The Frozen Throne then it is whatever new failed ambitious mumbo jumbo blizzard was trying to do, and if i wouldn’t be happy if a random new patch broke so many things from customization and asthetics to bugs and features then i wont be happy with what Reforged did no matter all the smoke and gas and the labels.
Especially if fixing major issues requires alot of time and effort yet fixing smaller things isn’t that big of a deal on Blizzards end. that’s how i think anyway, stomaching a waiting time for major issues to be fixed would be alot easier if we weren’t walking on a thousand other broken eggshells. but you see, because blizzard wants to be done with this game as soon as they can, they just focus on the major issues then run away to the hills forgetting War3 exists for another 15 years. that ~ is forever unacceptable and wholly unforgivable for me. their fixing of major features is also usually rough, missing a final polish and completely ignores either HD people or SD people in the process in some aspect.
Warcraft 3 Reign of Chaos version 1.00 had a feature where trees faded if units were behind them and you tried to look through.
In the future patches of RoC and continuing on with TFT this feature was forgotten and lost.
During the Development of Reforged, one person, one single person recalled this and highlighted it to the Classic Team (now fired) and in that classic team there were a handful of competent and caring developers that implemented and brought back this relic feature from 2002 into Reforged patch 1.32 and beyond.
Did anyone say “we didn’t need fading trees because no one remembered it existed before and we got used to it anyway ?” no, no one said that, but when it happened everyone welcome it either way.
That is what Blizzard now is missing, attention to the smaller things that made War3 exceptional. now we didn’t have that big of a debate on scorescreens here it was more like a light skirmish but its also important to note that no other game i know allowed player made customization to the level that it reached the public scorescreen. these are the things that make War3 exceptional. and i wouldn’t have it any other way.
Maybe you don’t live on the same planet as me, but I addressed this in my post and agreed that it should be a thing? I really don’t understand, where did you get the idea that i’m 100% happy with the game and thought there were no flaws, no ways they could improve anything? Because I never said anything like that. Just because I believe certain issues may be more critical than others does not mean that I think those other issues don’t need to be addressed. Nor does it mean I’m happy with Blizzard.
I’m not really sure what compelled you to make your initial post in the first place. I and the person I was speaking with had a civilized conversation and came to an understanding.
And I mostly agree with this statement. I don’t know why you’re dumping the buckets of haterade on me when I agree with you? All I said was that there are greater issues that I felt needed resolving first. That’s what I said back on the disk space topic, and the networking issues topic, Never at any time did I say that those issues weren’t a thing or didn’t matter. But we had a completely broken game that was missing core features that existed before Reforged came out. Thus my priority, and i certainly thought most people would feel the same way, is that those features that were basic to the game should come back as a matter of priority. The little things do matter and they should be addressed. I spoke only of priorities. A dev team can not do everything all at once. So you ahve to decide which things are the most important to get out the door first.
If you actually read my post about the score screen, while I called it nitpicky, I acknwledged that it does matter to some people and the suggestions given would improve that screen. I merely gave my opinion that certain other things should come first. You’re welcome to disagree with that, in fact I invite you to. It’s good to know what importance different people place on different things.
I’m really not the kind of person you’re making me out to be, these are just misunderstandings. That’s really all there is to it. We’re more on the same page than you think.
We just got a patch today that restored another key missing feature to the game. As long as the ranked system is more stable now, I would totally like to see another patch that addresses all of these “little things,” those bits of polish that create a better impression of quality to the user.
in every twitch stream i ask if anyone knows a secret to get 4v4 wins to record on BNET ladder - clearly its working for some, they are out of placement matches and working on MMR and on leaderboards - the suggestion is “play on w3champions” - maybe Blizz pays them to review the ladder and suggest solutions to wins not recording, its rediculous
This is pure-but-slightly-informed speculation on my part, but the secret appears to be all players need to be connecting through the same server. When players in the game are connecting from different region servers, I suspect that may be where the issue lies.
Yeah you pretty much misunderstood me. i did a mistake by not making it clear enough that i was talking to myself in a way or just analyzing a situation in my head that turned into a comment.
When i said i thought to myself why do i have to argue with you on this, i was talking in a 3rd person perspective so the only thing i was disappointed at and angry with was Blizzard. not because i had to have a conversation with you.
Basically, i’m saying that why would anyone, me, you, or anyone else have to go through these weird arguments when the main culprit who caused us to argue was Blizzard. i hope thats clear enough now.
You didn’t, again this is you misunderstanding me, my second comment was just an example, and the quote i did was not meant to be seen as “this is captain jack”… no.
You acted too defensively here i think.
And yeah, there is some ups and downs but give or less we pretty much agree more than disagree.
what I am trying to say here is basically if you intend to get better, u have to spent alot of hours practicing the play to win, in the past, i’ve spent countless hours practicing against AI and timing because i just couldnt win against real human players. so i started with beat hard or insane AI. then only you start play against real human in multiplayer.
i’ve created countless strategy during the old days because my region… my ping is high like 250ms is a good one, and often i get 350-500ms or more sometimes 1000-2000ms in few minutes and i got disadvantage against player who has better ping. i’ve often lag like 1-2 seconds or stuttering lags but its a random cases not every game, (imagine SC1 in 1996 with 56k modem ,you get what i mean?) micro wise i couldnt win because of the response delay so i have created alot of strategy to offload my disadvantage to win the game against pro with some cheesy tactic or unthinkable way. such as :invisible mortar , mass t1 dual attack mode, or mortar drop, mass gyro. mass casters. fast knight, fast 3 heroes, latest is footies bm, depends on races i vs tho.
since then from time to time i started to get better with each wins and learn from loses, this is WAR-CRAFT and it’s an art of war of strategy game. u got to learn to lose then to only learn to win. it’s depends on your character whether you are willing to accept losses or not.
from my experience, if you limit yourself a minimum, then you’ll never reach the maximum potential. it’s totally up to you though. good luck with your game improvement
What I’m trying to say I guess is I treat a ladder, well, like a ladder. Rather than aiming for the top specifically, I aim for the next rung above. I take things one step at a time. Often a very top level player is just so far out of your league that you may not even understand what it is about their play that makes it better than yours.
Being defensive is kind of in my nature, it comes from growing up with a disability and having to deal with all the doodoo that comes with it. It’s hard not to assume that you’re literally under attack when you often were for a good chunk of your life. The end result is I end up reacting that way in more ordinary situations where I probably should be giving benefit of the doubt.
