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[Kelthar-1277]

Perhaps i was unclear Gradius, but when i said i was done, i meant i was done arguing with you. You cant keep your arguments straight, you claim to be using multiple, mutually contradictory definitions of words, blame other people for misunderstanding you when you communicate badly, and just straight up ignore arguments that you cant beat. You do it time and time again, and im so freaking sick of wasting my time trying to explain to a brick wall that water is wet.

Stop picking these freaking asinine insane hills to die on and maybe less people will treat you like a lunatic, but you have only yourself to blame that nobody particularly likes you or agrees with you. Until then, good luck with your life. If the way you behave here is any indication, youre going to need it.

[Juxtapose-1171]

No question that “Wings of Liberty” has heavy Firefly vibes.

[Kelthar-1277]

During the Tychus bar fight scene, when Raynor is dictating terms to Tychus, im pretty sure they just straight up used some of the soundtrack from Firefly.

[Juxtapose-1171]

There are definitely Firefly musical themes as well.

[Skehan-2515]

@Gradius @Kelthar @Spirit

In alphabetical order.

Yer’ all (hello mod) knuckleheads in this instance on the account of not being able to listen to the other party. Whatso-friggin’-ever.

[Gradius-11376]

Probably, but why does that matter?

@Kelthar-1277

protoss telekinesis is indeed pretty rare

@Kelthar-1277

the protoss dont have weaponized telekinesis

Are these statements accurate or are they not?

Yes, I get they’re saying that terran telekinesis has some rare characteristic that protoss telekinesis doesn’t and that therefore the story makes perfect sense. But based off the last few replies, do you think they get my argument? I seriously freaking doubt it.

I don’t even care about winning this debate anymore, I’d just be happy with a “I get what you’re saying, but I disagree.”

[Spirit-6683]

@Gradius-11376

I provided that too. I think moving the object has to be a primary effect.

Yeah, but then for the rest of debate you just default to the web.

@Gradius-11376

because its initial effect is taking over another brain

Yeah, and in your example something else is always the initial effect.

@Gradius-11376

Yep, but no matter what sci-if mumbo-jumbo you choose to dress it up as, it’s still telekinesis.

That’s completely an inappropriate response. Either my writing is too confusing or your reading is abysmal.

Judging from what happened so far, I think it’s a bit of both.

Anyway, let me simplify. I’m not trying to dress it up with sci-fi mumbo-jumbo; I’m saying that the two case are completely unrelated.

@Gradius-11376

It mimics a zero g environment because that’s the point. They’re probably telekinetically creating a force that counteracts acceleration due to gravity.

Okay, this one is so wrong, but I can understand why. Most people have a misconception that gravity is just a simple force that you can simply counteract. It’s not. Gravity is actually a force the bend spacetime. The ‘force’ that you experienced is just a byproduct of the curved. Using kinetic energy will never nullified gravity. You cannot flatten spacetime using Telekinesis.

@Gradius-11376

If that’s not good enough, then just accept that it’s an artistic/stylistic choice.

That’s a lazy cope out.

@Gradius-11376

I did. Fits my definition.

Either you checked the wrong link (I don’t blame you; your links are messy) or you don’t know how to use ‘i.e.’.

In any case, the appropriate response should be ‘i.e., a shockwave from the explosion of energy orb created by Alarak’. Oh wait, it isn’t an explosion. So a shockwave emitted from a glowing orb that disappeared right after the emissions?

@Gradius-11376

The wiki is run by people I actually respect (Hawki, Subsourian, Kimera757).

I see. Even more reason for me to be skeptic.

@Gradius-11376

Unlike you, they wouldn’t spend 200 posts trying to deny protoss telekinesis.

Yep, not someone I will ever give much regard.

I can’t respect anyone incapable of thinking deeply and work hard to exam a topic.

@Skehan-2515

not being able to listen to the other party. Whatso-friggin’-ever.

Am I? I think I understand Gradius just fine.

He has a bad interpretation of the web definition. He thinks that because you can’t just magically create movement without a cause; there must be some physical means behind it; be it energy blast or a hand of mind controlled Terran.

Either that or he believe that the Protoss’ psionic cannot affect movement directly; it can, however, create energy blast directly.

And he believes that since it’s all Telekinesis, the story is inconsistent.

[Skehan-2515]

No you are horrible at that.

[Spirit-6683]

In that case, please explain Gradius’ for me.

[Gradius-11376]

@Spirit-6683

Yeah, but then for the rest of debate you just default to the web.

Admit that protoss have telekinesis as per the freaking dictionary and then we can move on to more specific meanings. You guys are so unreasonable you couldn’t even do the former.

@Spirit-6683

Yeah, and in your example something else is always the initial effect.

Artanis - nope, he just flings the lings off, and lifts the rocks up
High Templar - nope, they just lift themselves
Gruu - nope. It’s a mental push.
Alarak - on the spear of adun, yeah, sure. His destruction wave? Maybe, but it’s funny that non-canon sources literally call his ability telekinesis. We haven’t seen him do it in a cinematic so we don’t know if he’d use all that obnoxious red void energy that’s seen in gameplay, but you’re a liar if you tell me this isn’t “moving objects with your mind” that’s weaponized.

Kelthar called Kerrigan’s kinetic blast a telekinetic ability earlier in this debate, and lo-and-behold, it has an “initial effect” in gameplay too. Nice to see your guys’ double standards in action.

What exactly is YOUR example of a true telekinetic ability?

@Spirit-6683

That’s completely an inappropriate response. Either my writing is too confusing or your reading is abysmal.

Judging from what happened so far, I think it’s a bit of both.

Anyway, let me simplify. I’m not trying to dress it up with sci-fi mumbo-jumbo; I’m saying that the two case are completely unrelated.

And I’m saying I don’t care, it fits the definition.

@Spirit-6683

Okay, this one is so wrong, but I can understand why. Most people have a misconception that gravity is just a simple force that you can simply counteract. It’s not. Gravity is actually a force the bend spacetime. The ‘force’ that you experienced is just a byproduct of the curved. Using kinetic energy will never nullified gravity. You cannot flatten spacetime using Telekinesis.

Yes, no crap, if it’s not actual anti-gravity it won’t work exactly the same. But you can get pretty similar effects. It’s not unbelievable a high templar’s nerve cords could sway with different force vectors applied by telekinesis.

@Spirit-6683

Either you checked the wrong link (I don’t blame you; your links are messy) or you don’t know how to use ‘i.e.’.

In any case, the appropriate response should be ‘i.e., a shockwave from the explosion of energy orb created by Alarak’. Oh wait, it isn’t an explosion. So a shockwave emitted from a glowing orb that disappeared right after the emissions?

Ok but when when he stops the zealot in its tracks, that is not an explosion. When he throws the zealot away, sure, that’s an explosion. But then you can compare that to Artanis flinging away zerglings where there’s no such energy/explosion being created. Just an invisible wall of force which is consistent with telekinesis.

@Spirit-6683

Am I? I think I understand Gradius just fine.

That’s why after 300 posts you still don’t understand a basic definition.

[Spirit-6683]

@Gradius-11376

Admit that protoss have telekinesis as per the freaking dictionary and then we can move on to more specific meanings. You guys are so unreasonable you couldn’t even do the former.

Never. If you want to go by your personal definition, no problem. I’m more than willing to call all your examples Telekinesis by that standard.

The dictionary definition that you link, however, are different story. I believe you misunderstand it by a mile and nothing you brought up fit the definition.

@Gradius-11376

That’s why after 300 posts you still don’t understand a basic definition.

Yeah, I know that now! Why do you think I ask Brother Bifrost for his explanation?

No offend, but we are both suck at explaining our argument. As a Grammar Naz1, Brother Bifrost is better than both of us combined. He will be more effective at explaining your position than you do it yourself.

That’s why I’m very interested in reading from him and halt further reply until then.

[CtG-1641]

Donny Vermillion, your first, last, and only stop for the truth!

[Subsourian-1961]

I’ve been pulled in apparently.

But yes protoss do have telekinesis, it seems to be slightly more uncommon and terrans manifest in it ways that are different from the protoss, but here’s a quote from Evolution (which I saw quoted but nobody deeply addressed) on it:

The protoss have developed a new weapon, Ulavu said evasively. Of only minor tactical use, but of interest to a number of us. It was hoped a terran telekinetic would be useful in its deployment, as the human version of that ability carries unique characteristics not found in protoss.

Which means the ability has to exist in protoss, given there is a differing human variant. That’s the one place where it’s called that by name, but we have examples of its use in Firstborn when Zamara psionically picks up Rosemary and flings her away when she tries to intervene on her moving into Jake’s mind. We also (albeit in media that isn’t necessarily canon) have Alarak using it as an upgrade name in Co-op and an ability in Heroes of the Storm.

This of course just going off of when they directly call it telekinesis.

[Spirit-6683]

@CtG-1641

Donny Vermillion, your first, last, and only stop for the truth!

What? Oh, yeah, this is a thread about that! I totally forgot!

@Subsourian-1961

I’ve been pulled in apparently.

No, you aren’t. You were just being mentioned. Also, don’t wait to be pulled in, you should join us much more often.

Now, about the topic at hand, it’s very complicated that I don’t think anybody except Brother Bifrost (Skehan) understand it at the moment. There is a lot of thing about semantics and definition. I recommend that you don’t concern yourself with it.

Anyway, now that you’re here. What is your opinion on Gruu? A character in the Frontline Comic about the Protoss experiment on Creep. I check your wiki and it said that he used Telekinesis, but that makes absolutely no sense! How can you activate the Teleportation System with Telekinesis?

[Gradius-1412]

@Subsourian-1961

but we have examples of its use in Firstborn when Zamara psionically picks up Rosemary and flings her away when she tries to intervene on her moving into Jake’s mind.

I knew there was an example in the DT saga too but for the life of me I couldn’t remember where.

[Subsourian-1961]

@Spirit-6683

No, you aren’t. You were just being mentioned. Also, don’t wait to be pulled in, you should join us much more often.

A lot of these debates go in directions that I usually don’t want to intervene in, but I do try to step in to explain why the wiki’s done what it’s done.

@Spirit-6683

Anyway, now that you’re here. What is your opinion on Gruu? A character in the Frontline Comic about the Protoss experiment on Creep. I check your wiki and it said that he used Telekinesis, but that makes absolutely no sense! How can you activate the Teleportation System with Telekinesis?

The exact quote is:

“T-Teleportation mechanism… in Roum’s armor! I activated it with a mental push.”

So a mental push was used to activate the emergency recall mechanism in Roum’s armor early (the flash of “death” you see when zealots hit 0 hp). Of course you can debate the mechanics, is that a channeling of energy or true telekinesis or even technopathy, but the wording implies something was physically pushed to activate the power suit’s warp stone. We don’t have too much of a deep dive into the actual mechanics of zealot power suits sadly, but we’ve seen modifications done to that system a similar way in Avengers in LotV.

[Kelthar-1277]

@Subsourian-1961

So a mental push was used to activate the emergency recall mechanism in Roum’s armor early (the flash of “death” you see when zealots hit 0 hp). Of course you can debate the mechanics, is that a channeling of energy or true telekinesis or even technopathy, but the wording implies something was physically pushed to activate the power suit’s warp stone. We don’t have too much of a deep dive into the actual mechanics of zealot power suits sadly, but we’ve seen modifications done to that system a similar way in Avengers in LotV.

I would argue that a physical mechanism in the teleportation device is not only useless (since if youre wounded you cant use it) but actively detrimental (since it increases the chances of it being activated accidentally on being struck).

[Gradius-1412]

@Kelthar-1277

I would argue that a physical mechanism in the teleportation device is not only useless (since if youre wounded you cant use it)

If you’re a Protoss with telekinesis, you can use it provided you’re still conscious or one of your comrades is around. Otherwise the suit is supposed to go off your life signs.

@Kelthar-1277

but actively detrimental (since it increases the chances of it being activated accidentally on being struck).

Having it “activate” after being struck could also be the entire point of it.

I think Protoss know how to build a reliable mechanism that only activates when it’s supposed to.

[Spirit-6683]

@Subsourian-1961

Of course you can debate the mechanics, is that a channeling of energy or true telekinesis or even technopathy, but the wording implies something was physically pushed to activate the power suit’s warp stone. We don’t have too much of a deep dive into the actual mechanics of zealot power suits sadly

Exactly, while the information is very scare on the exact mechanics of the technology, I would argue that having a physical moving part is the least likely answer; among other things, we know that the Protoss don’t use button. The word ‘mental push’ is a very weak basis to make a solid claim that it’s a Telekinesis.

And that’s my issue here, your Wiki make a solid claim that it’s a Telekinesis even though it’s far more likely to be something else.

[Kelthar-1277]

… For that matter, have we ever seen the protoss use actual physical buttons or levers? The Spear of Adun is controlled via some sort of holo-console and a lot of their devices are controlled via psionics or AI directly.