Truly we became the faceless masses. Now we are back to being individuals or Kachinsky.
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My core issue is that per the dictionary definition that you value so much even Mind Control is considered to be Telekinesis. So you should also start saying that if you have a Mind Control, then you’re a geek, period.
You inability to debunk this show the absurdity of your stand.
Like what is the point of bringing such ridiculous dictionary definition? You don’t believe it in; it’s not your personal definition of the word. I don’t believe in it. The writer definitely don’t believe in it.
Yeah, well, that doesn’t matter; the fact that you can go that far is.
Yeah, that’s only true to you. I’ve already provided a pretty good reason why I believe it’s Gravitational Nullification. Your cope out isn’t a proper argument.
You know what? Let us just call it whatever you think it is. Now, what is the physical means that cause it?
I thought I already told everyone this, but here is a reminder for you. I really don’t care about the Wiki. It was fan base and contains misconceptions. Take Gruu for example, even if he had Telekinesis, he can’t use it to operate the Teleportation System; it makes zero sense.
While Subsourian seems to be a smart person, I don’t respect him (I might and he may be qualified, but I don’t know him well enough). The Wiki is wrote by a bunch of stranger mostly unknown to me. I almost couldn’t care less what it said.
No, and how is that relevant?
Did you know me yesterday’s evening? I look stupid ALL THE TIME! And no, it’s never bothered me; nor it ever will.
Well, I can’t. The only two things that keep me going are some stupid vanity and twisted desire to see what you would do. To be honest, they barely won out against my boredom. I’m not sure how long I can keep this up; maybe a couple of pointless Ad Hominem or cope out?
I provided the dictionary definition of the word because you asked for it.
Unfortunately for you, that now means you can’t say “protoss don’t have telekinesis” without looking stupid.
It’s telekinesis. They move forward, whereas you admitted that your anti-gravity theory can only move them up.
The “but their cloth/nerve-cords move” argument is so stupid, because Kerrigan’s hair moves too when she’s floating and we all know she’s telekinetic. Plus, it’s not impossible to make nerve cords move with telekinesis.
A telekinetic energy blast i.e. a shockwave Artanis created with psionics.
Needs citation. I didn’t realize you knew everything about protoss technology.
The wiki so far has been way more accurate than you.
Not exactly, I was asking for your definition of the word, but I guess I wasn’t clear about it.
Unfortunately for you, I think you misinterpret the definition and now looking very stupid.
Pretty sure, I said that they’re definitely using a very different means to move forward. Something that can’t be Telekinesis because of the movement animation is weird.
That reason is so stupid. Yes, Kerrigan has Telekinesis, but that doesn’t mean everything that she does involve Telekinesis. And even if she float, there are zero reason to believe that it’s the same method as High Templar or that they share any property at all (other than suspension in the air, that is).
Not only Nerve Cord, every piece of cloth. And not just moving; mimicking a movement of floating in zero gravity environments.
Sure, it’s ‘plausible’ that those High Templar and Rohana can do it, but I refuse to believe that they actively do it for no reason (other than so that you’re right) ALL the time.
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Check your own damn link.
N/A.
Already provided my justification.
Ah, classic Ad-Hominem.
Levitation is the application of tlekinesis against the ground, unless it has aphysical propulsion, this is telkinesis
the only source you are using is a statement from a novel that is ambiguous and as we see later is like you think in the novel Uvalvu uses the weapon supposedly designed for telekinetics
The protoss have developed a new weapon, Ulavu said evasively. Of only minor tactical use, but of interest to a number of us. It was hoped a terran telekinetic would be useful in its deployment, as the human version of that ability carries unique characteristics not found in protoss. We wished to explore what could be achieved through a partnership with such a terran. I can say no more.
But zerglings were tough. They could only be killed so quickly, and there were a hell of a lot of them. Peripherally, Tanya saw that Ulavu had closed down his warp blades—the zerglings were still too far out of melee range anyway—and had pulled out a small disk the size of a drink coaster. He crouched, cocking his hand and the disk toward his chest, then hurled it at the approaching zerglings.
And as it flew, the edge of the disk erupted into a ring of blazing green warp-blade fire, becoming a meter-diameter pinwheel of destruction. It struck the first zergling in its path, cut straight through it without even slowing, did the same to the zergling behind it—
The psyolisk waiting at the far end of the chamber tried to get out of the way. But the surprise of the unexpected attack was apparently too paralyzing, and the weapon itself was traveling too fast. The psyolisk had barely started to move when the spinning blade cut through its torso, dropping it to the stone floor.
It is well pointed out that Uvalvu cannot pick up the artifact but can greatly boost it, which would suggest that perhaps the terran has a finer tekinesia, but if I still interpret that the author tries to say that the protoss are not telekinetic, it is not the first error of the Author with respect to the canon, chapters before he points out that the zerg cannot alter the plants with infestation but in other stories we have the zerg using moss to create the baneling and in the short story Carrier the zerg infested trees. why a master in genetic manipulation could not defeat a simple plant cell
Artanis rising rocks when he go to attack to Kerrigan:
Telkinesis is not reduced to moving observable objects, smaller things can be seen such as moving air, water particles creating thermal reactions, it is telqueinesis. Because that is the great barrier between telepathy and telkinesis, and because it is considered as an ability that indicates psychic superiority because it goes beyond from the field of only interacting with thoughts to the ability to really influence the material environment
Changing topic I just saw Serenity again and I’m pretty sure Tosh and Matt’s arc is quite influenced by this movie:
1the theme of the better future is constantly repeated and the idea that the people who fight for this better future do not belong to it (see the end of Tosh “” better future)
2The captain’s tantrums from taking people off his boat similar to Jim’s does to the crew people even though he is generally quite friendly.
3 the captain’s gray morality, insofar as it is necessary do to keep the ship moving.
4 the characters moral compass: jay (tychus) Zoë Alleyne Washburne (Matt)
5 In both ultimate goal is to leak a dirty secret of enemy that promises order and security
6 one person on the crew is basically a prototype ghost haunted by unable to control himself by mental conditioning.
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Disclaimer: I’m trying my best to understand you, but I’m bound to get it wrong somewhere. I’m not saying that it’s all your fault (just mostly), I also known to misunderstand others from time to time.
That’s one way you can lift yourself. However, if that’s what you do your floating characteristics will be different. My point is that the way High Templar and Rohana float, it seem far more likely to be the use of Gravitational Nullification. And that is, in no way, a Telekinesis.
I’ll have to check the primary source regarding the Carrier, but the Beneling didn’t use any moss. The Biologist found a substance in the Zergling body that can be used as an explosive. That’s how they evolve Beneling. That substance might be a Moss, but even then it’s just a symbiosis relationship not an infestation.
Well, before we go further I think you misunderstood the premise of my discussion with Gradius.
Let us get something out of the way, I agree with your assessment about Terran having uniquely different form of Telekinesis that can benefit the Protoss. And maybe, Artanis just want a way to create a cooperative relationship with the Terran.
You could say that the whole discussion is about the fact that Terran is different and that the Writers call what they have as a Telekinesis while what the Protoss have as something else. Gradius believe that it should all be called Telekinesis and such it’s all the same thing, which is like saying that orange (color) has vitamin C because it’s orange.
And as long as you agree that the Terran has something else different from the Protoss I don’t care what you call them all, we’re basically in agreement.
Anyway, from what I read you seem to think that Telekinesis is the ability to directly affect physical object. This is a very board definition. Needless to say your definition is different from everyone here. This is fine as long as you remember that what you called Telekinesis is not the same thing as my Telekinesis. It’s not the same thing that The Emperor think Telekinesis is. It’s not Gradius’ Telekinesis, either.
Now, by your definition everything Gradius brought up except Levitation is Telekinesis. However, you have to recognize that none of them is the same thing that the Terran utilize. The Protoss move object by using your Telekinesis to create a blast which then move object. The Terran just move the object using Telekinesis. And as long as you agree that the Terran ability is different and not portrait by any Protoss, we’re in agreement on the meaning of thing. I couldn’t careless what you called them.
Another example, very nice.
I provided that too. I think moving the object has to be a primary effect. Mind control is too far removed because its initial effect is taking over another brain. Psi Storm concentrates the psionic energy over a given area to create lightning bolts. etc.
Cool story.
What a flimsy argument. “Oh the movement is weird”.
High Templar also use psionic speed to speed up their movements. See the LoTV intro.
Yep, but no matter what sci-if mumbo-jumbo you choose to dress it up as, it’s still telekinesis.
It mimics a zero g environment because that’s the point. They’re probably telekinetically creating a force that counteracts acceleration due to gravity.
If that’s not good enough, then just accept that it’s an artistic/stylistic choice.
I did. Fits my definition.
The wiki is run by people I actually respect (Hawki, Subsourian, Kimera757). They’re even people that like the story. Unlike you, they wouldn’t spend 200 posts trying to deny protoss telekinesis.
Virtually 99% of the time when someone claims “oh but the wiki has too many errors” they’re always the ones misinterpreting the lore. The only time the wiki is wrong is when they disagree with me. ;p
You argued that removing an object beneath a rock to cause it to fall would be moving the rock telekinetically because you arent using a physical method to do it. You clearly are either not understanding the definition you gave or are not conforming to it.
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“the production of motion in objects (as by a spiritualistic medium) without contact or other physical means”
How would that not fit the definition? I’ve made it explicitly clear that I think this definition is too broad though.
But I provided a broad definition because I knew getting you guys to agree to the simplest most basic things would be like pulling teeth.
Because Gravity is producing the motion, not you. Trying to insist that you think the definition is wrong or useless just makes you look worse given how much youve attacked us for not sticking to your interpretation of it.
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What’s your point? You still produced the motion. It wouldn’t have happened without you. I don’t want to rehash this again.
Sorry, but it’s not. I merely pointed out that I was far more generous with my examples than I needed to be to fit the definition.
Now are you going to admit that protoss are good at telekinesis already or not?
Do i really need to explain how basic cause and effect works Gradius? I did not produce the motion. Gravity produced the motion.
It is the way youre using it, because literally everything is telekinesis under your usage.
Still waiting for that example of a khalai lifting something external to themselves without having to use an explosion or something to move it. And if you repeat Artanis again, im going to treat that as a concession of the argument, because youve completely failed to demonstrate telekinesis there no matter how much you insist that it is so.
Sounds like you don’t get how cause and effect works. If I remove the chair you’re sitting on, I’m the one who caused you to fall even though “gravity produced the motion”. I’m the one who caused it to do that.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills this whole debate.
It’s a simple definition really. You move stuff with your mind, it’s telekinesis. How the hell is that “everything”?
Like I said, denying evidence is the only thing you’re good at. You’ve still yet to prove Artanis used an explosion there. It’s like you’ve never seen an explosion in your life.
If you want some variety though, Lycan just showed an example of Artanis moving rocks.
Ok, so again, you think that if i kick a chair out from under somebody, i have telekinetically forced them to fall down?
I want you to specifically type it out so you understand exactly why im treating you like the bloody moron you sound like. If you still dont get it after that, there is absolutely no hope for you, it will confirm to me that you arent engaging in this debate honestly or intelligently and there is no point trying to convince you the sky is blue, let alone of anything more complex than that.
Because A: youre attributing motion to people that were not causing it and B: because the mind produces all of our motion, and youre allowing apparently infinite chains of butterfly farts to count as the cause.
No, you just refuse to acknowledge that ive proven it. Its visually consistent with psionic explosions, it has all the same effects of a psionic explosion, and the game freaking calls it an energy blast.
If you dont like the primary source, thats your problem.
Right. Artanis just decides to lift a bunch of pebbles to menace Kerrigan. Clearly its his telekinesis doing it on purpose and not just stray energy causing things to happen.
Note my sarcasm.
*facepalm
No, I’m explaining how cause and effect works since apparently you don’t get it. “bUt GrAvITy dId IT” does not mean I’m not the one who knocked you down. Why can’t you fathom this?
If I caused the chair to move WITH MY MIND, then it’s telekinesis. WHY IS THIS HARD?
O_O
You cannot be for real right now. I literally explained this to you.
Telekinesis - the production of motion in objects (as by a spiritualistic medium) without contact or other physical means
Read the bolded part. Remember us talking about this? At some point in the chain there has to be a supernatural/spiritualistic effect for it to be considered telekinesis.
Look buddy.
This is an explosion:
~https://youtu.be/QJQu1ytJlMs?t=123
This is NOT an explosion:
~https://youtu.be/QJQu1ytJlMs?t=89
It is a mental blast of kinetic energy. Nothing IN OR AROUND ARTANIS’S FACE/BODY is exploding. THE GAME TOOLTIP DOES NOT CALL IT AN EXPLOSION.
Your bullcrap excuses must be starting to sound more hollow even to you by now.
The debate isn’t whether he’s doing it on purpose, the debate is whether he has telekinesis.
You didnt say you caused the chair to move. You said you caused the person to move.
And yet you allow gravity to count.
THERES A GREAT BLOODY EXPLOSION EMINATING FROM HIM THAT FLINGS THE ZERGLINGS AWAY YOU ABSOLUTE BLOODY IDIOT.
Right. Im done. Youre clearly trolling me at this point. Congratulations, you win, youve eroded my patience and my brain cells. I feel dumber for having had this conversation with you. I hope nobody ever has the misfortune of dealing with you like this in real life.
The point is, if there’s a movement that I caused with my mind that wouldn’t have normally happened, it’s telekinesis.
If I produce a motion via the action of gravity using mental powers, yes.
Yeah it’s not there. There’s a light behind him, there’s some psi blade sparks fanning out after he pushes the lings off, that’s it.
I’m sorry you’ve never seen a real freaking explosion before.
Nope. Im done. I argued with an idiot and got dragged down to his level, where he beat me with experience. Congratulations.
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Kelthar: High templar levitating doesn’t count because it’s not weaponized.
Also Kelthar: it doesn’t count as moving things with your mind if it’s done in an explosive (i.e. weaponized) manner
You’re freaking impervious to any form of logic and evidence. Keep telling yourself the protoss can’t move objects with their mind despite all the evidence to the contrary.