Suggestion to make the Adept not suck

Yes, your 9 probe stalker would kill my 30 probe adept. Oh wait…

You would also need to wall the nat, since you need a ton of stalkers to kill adepts before they can kill all your probes. Even now a common masters PvP build is to make 8-10 adepts and just dive the mineral line while sitting on 2 base yourself.

Ok good, at least we agree there.

What utility? Are you killing medivacs or libs with them? Are you shading on Brood Lords? What actually do you intend to do other than give protoss a monopoly on harass with one of their best harass units also being the ultimate counter-harass?

No. Bad WireBender, bad!

lol

LMB is a composition that relies on map awareness. Of course the Zerg is going to know where your Shades are at…

4 Adepts per base won’t help…want to know why? Because the Mutas can dance around the 4 range all day…Adepts are too slow to catch up…

No that doesn’t. If you see 8ish Mutas and like…3 Corruptors…that’s still LMB…not heavy spire play. You know what the B in LMB stands for? I’ll give you a hint; it’s a unit that hard counters the Adept…

When Adepts are too slow to catch mutas it doesn’t matter if they don’t get hung up on buildings as much. Unless you make like 10 Adepts to blanket your base…at which point the Zerg makes some Banelings and wins…you can’t sink 1k into Adepts and expect the Zerg to sit back on their keister. They will hard counter you…

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phoenix are better, faster, cheaper, are able to force a fight and not let enemies run, more utility in the long run and stalkers can focus lifted units as well…but oh, they need to be microed

protoss 101

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Now you’re just being silly. 9 probe Stalker vs 30 probe Adept? Are you high?

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I said it since the start of the thread.

Adepts being able to attack air, gives Protoss an alternative to stalkers for AA. Also it gives Protoss a unit to use against Light air units that isn’t a phoenix and promotes more gateway styles.

The unit also plays unbelievably better when it can attack air. Day and night difference like the Adept design was originally supposed to have it and likely did before they made it into that AOE nightmare they did way back in LOTV’s history.

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All you have to do is move the probes to the other side of the mineral line when the mutas fly in, only a few minerals of lost mining time. Meanwhile, you just build up adept/sentry until you have enough to just win.

Then the corruptors are not worth it at all, lol. And they open an all-in window for protoss, so free advantage for you. And also they aren’t going to be barfing on any buildings in that low of numbers. If they make that tiny amount of air, you can get blink and storm and be done with it.

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Ok honestly, how often do people actually use phoenix because of the bonus vs. light? It’s needed vs. mutas, it’s convenient vs. banshees, and it’s why phoenix wars are the way they are.

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That’s what adepts do to your mineral line in PvP. The whole matchup is about killing probes. Stargate is phoenix and oracles if you want to risk that your opponent isn’t also stargate. Gate based is adepts shading into the base and/or using blink to punish any economy your opponent dared build. Even robo is usually 2 immortals in a prism dropping on the probes in the main.

Okay, let’s say you move the Probes to the other side of the mineral line and the Adepts are there to cover. You know where the Adepts aren’t? By the pylons… You gonna let your pylons get sniped? If so, you lose. If you move to defend them, the Mutas rotate to probe lines.

Over and over and over until you either quit or there’s so much anti air that your mutas have no more opening which leads to getting wrecked by lings and banes.

Again, this is standard LMB play…

You only get 3 Corruptors if there’s a build up of Phoenix lol…because Corruptors shut down the Phoenix counter…that doesn’t open up an all-in timing…

You are hurting my brain…

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Here is a trick question for you.

If Adepts could attack air, would people build them or Stalkers for AA?.

I don’t know what level of PvP you play but in my PvPs the opponent keeps a probe by the ramp to complete a full wall if the other goes Adepts and opens Stalkers…that’s like one of the most important tricks in PvP…

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Yes, because you definitely want to be massing stalkers against immortals…

Yeah, that’s why you make phoenix, and you only want 1 void ray, and you keep going phoenix past that. Also, you already have phoenix when you see the all-in and make a void ray. Phoenix and void rays have pretty good synergy for defending, what with the main weakness of void rays being they can’t stick to a target. You see an all-in in PvP as a stargate player, you make a void ray and go back to your regular build. Or you don’t. The void ray is optional, but a lot of people take it, and I recommend it.

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Of course it is. And of course they do. But you have to either expand or attack eventually. And just try at 4-5 minutes seeing if the probe is still there.

WireBender why are you focusing on PvP, when Adepts being able to attack air has a bigger impact on PvT and PvZ?

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…you do know that in PvP, expanding opens you up to an all-in, right?
And if you can afford the expand, you can afford 2 Shield batteries in your nat.

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Probably adepts unless they actually cared about focusing the air units. Stalkers would be better at killing air units, but adepts with the shield upgrade and attacking air would fill enough roles to bring back the 3 minute 3rd in PvT, because it’s not like your going to die because you have literally nothing to shoot up, so you are fine.

How will that help against adepts again? You have to expand after having enough units to kill the adepts fast, which means that the adept player can expand much earlier than you, and you are forced to all-in or bust, and thus they just make batteries because they have the adepts, and the onus to attack is on you.

Ugh. This hurts my braaaaain.

You’d make both because they have different uses.

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2 shield batteries prevent Adepts from killing probes without focus fire, giving you time to field the appropriate response.

At this point we’re just talking Adepts in PvP…there’s a reason why pros don’t mass Adepts in the MU…they suck. Letting them attack air doesn’t change that in PvP.

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