Mutas overcountered a bit too much?

https://clips.twitch.tv/LachrymoseCallousMomM4xHeh

That’s just one of Terran’s units that counter mutas. RIP sc2. Maybe the Thor should be given the “infested terran” treatment? When zerg’s anti air was (ostensibly) too powerful, blizzard outright deleted it. Will the same fate befall the thor? Nope, because it’s a terran unit. Infested terrans were never as strong as the thor, either.

EDIT: If you watch his supply, he loses 14 mutalisks in less than 1 second. That would be the equivalent of a Terran losing 5 BCs. Could you imagine the SHRIEKING on the forums if Zerg could 1-shot 5 BCs in less than a second?

#TerranCraft2

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Name a terran unit that doesn’t counter mutas.

Pro-tip: you can’t.

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Every unit terran has is a soft counter to mutas bare minimum. Hellion runbies will constantly pull mutas out of position and roast dozens of drones in a split second. Meanwhile 8 mutas will lose a fight with 1 missile turret. Yet we’re told mutas are too strong and thors are just right. LOL.

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Ah yes, Zerg losing 2000/2000 in the blink of an eye. Only with Zerg can you lose such a valuable army so quickly and so easily. This must be why people say Zerg is forgiving…

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Well thors do cost more than an energy based free unit so that comparison is bogus.

Now if you just say thor is simply OP AF I’m obliged to agree.

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Infestors aren’t free and infested terrans are how the infestor attacks, which has severe limitations put on when and where and how the infestor can attack. Thors have none of those restrictions plus are infinitely more powerful all the way around. Infested terrans could never 1 shot 2,000 gas in a split second and that’s just the tip of the iceberg of the Thor’s utility. The special treatment the thor gets in comparison to the infested terran is an enormous double standard, and it’s not the only one –

Zerg players are forced to practically be able to see the future to avoid losing all your mutas in a split second (like what happened in this video). But, fungal was too OP and they had to nerf it to where it was “less punishing” - terran players might lose some cheap mineral units despite having time to micro since fungal is a projectile. The double standards are just gross.

Give the thor the “infestor” treatment. Make its anti-air attack a projectile like fungal. Reduce its damage so zerg players have as much time to micro out of it as terran players do when a fungal lands on their bio. Either that or just outright remove the anti-air abilities of the thor, like blizzard did to the infestor.

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ITs are free but storm isn’t I’m guessing

I hate only interaction between Mutalisk and Phoenix. Against Thor/Archon you can do micro trick (not attack them only Hold Position above) so you loose 1-2 Mutas but he lost 400/250 or 100/300 (or 2 DT price) so its good trade for Zerg! But with Phoenix you loose all the time 2+ and even when Protoss loose some Phoenix, its almost cheaper than Mutalisk! And you cannt simple out run them!

Keeping the phoenix at the right distance when the zerg is running everywhere can be challenging. The zerg can also make corruptors to tank, which push the phoenix back and allow the mutas to kill pylons, probes, tech structures etc. The bigger problem for mutas are archons. It’s really easy for a Protoss to turtle and get a big ball of archons that muta ling bane can’t deal with. Archons hard counter that entire unit comp, so he doesn’t need many and the threshold to achieve a working unit comp is very low so it’s very easy to do even when far behind.

Oh no there is a hard counter to mutas that even costs more than the muta :frowning: oh no.

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Did you know that it takes 0/2 upgrades on mutas to beat equivelant psi of marines (with no medivacs).

That’s 1 muta (100/100) vs. 1 marine (50/0). Four times the total resource cost and 100 gas.

Marines can also be built two at a time, and spammed with mules!

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What You trying to say is that You dont get the concept of countering units?

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By your “logic” it would be fine if the queen could 1 shot bcs. Blizzard thought fungal was “too punishing” but this isn’t? That’s a straight up double standard. If fungal was too punishing, thors are too punishing x100.

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I am surprised they do even that well!

What You are trying to say is that You too dont understand the concept of countering units? Ok ok

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Take you trolling elsewhere, kiddo.

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You got owned. 20 char

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Owned? Counter/Hard counter and Brutal counter are 3 different things! Helbat counters Lings… you can outrun him. Immortal counters Ultralisk… same again. But You cannot outrun Phoenix! And now not only with Mutalisk. Same with Medivac, Banshee

In other words, Batz has been losing too many games in masters/low GM using mutas and is now expressing his grievances on the forums.

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Poor batsy, haven’t seen him post in awhile, they must have let him out of the slammer early. Starting his new found freedom in a real batsy fashion.

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