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Conservatives hate government intervention. Conservatism enforces cultural taboos, but not through governement.
Government is mistrusted by any actual conservative.

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Except when it does what they want, evidently.

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No, that is Communism. Communism is all about government.

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The term “socialism” was very popular at the time that the Na-zi (word needed for context, but banned on the forums apparently) party rose to prominence, so it was used in the name to increase support. But the Na-zi party was explicitly not socialist in its ideology. They rounded up and interned or killed socialists along with the Jews.

Socialism is about giving ownership of the means of production to the workers or the community, either in the form of worker-cooperatives (where the workers have ownership of the companies they work in) or through government control (the logic being that the community owns the government).

Fascism is explicitly capitalist. Eliminating trade unions, banning strikes, jailing workers for refusing to work, privatizing state-owned enterprises, etc. The businesses remain under control of their wealthy owners.

You said fascism is a right wing ideology. A key part of fascism is authoritarianism. Right wingers believe in boosting personal freedom and reducing the size of the government, which is by definition anti-authoritarian. Compare that to the socialists who want to tell you what food you can or can’t eat, what clothes you can wear, what car you can drive, how much you should be payed for work, what healthcare you should have, etc. You’ve got a sore case of double think. Leftism is fascism. Conservatism and libertarianism are inherently anti-fascist by definition.

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Except when it comes to cracking down on protestors or labor movements, enforcing religious views on abortion, interracial marriage, LGBT rights, the education system (I could write an entire essay on the conservative movement’s frequent attempts to ban subjects such as evolution that contradict religious fundamentalism, to misrepresent the history of slavery and racism and native Americans, to force prayer in schools, etc), BDS (which far too many neoliberals Democrats also support), restricting the rights of cities and states to pass their own laws if the conservative movement disagrees with them, appointing dictators to override the elected officials of cities and counties (republicans did this in Massachusetts), when it comes to supporting the overthrow of elected leaders in Latin American Countries, the Middle East, etc in favor of military dictatorships that are friendly to US business interests; etc.

We’re going to hold hands and explore the ideological theory because you are getting caught up on the messiness of practical politics. From the wikipedia article:

Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy. It typically involves a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished.

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Right-wing politics holds that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable, typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics, or tradition. Hierarchy and inequality may be viewed as natural results of traditional social differences or the competition in market economies. The term right-wing can generally refer to “the conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system”.

Right wingers believe in maximizing personal freedoms and that natural hierarchies evolve as a product of personal freedom, because some people are more gifted than others. Some people will make more money, be more persuasive, etc, and will have more success. This creates hierarchies.

Left wingers believe in the opposite. They want equality of outcome and want to destroy hierarchies. This is an inherently anti-freedom stance, because hierarchies occur naturally from the personal choices of individuals. To get rid of hierarchies they must destroy personal freedom, which is an inherently authoritarian stance.

If you think leftism isn’t identical to authoritarianism and fascism, you’ve been indoctrinated.

Right wingers aren’t anti-compassion. They believe in church and charity and caring for the poor, but they believe it is the job of the individual and NOT the duty of the state to take care of the poor. Using the state to take care of the poor is an inherently authoritarian ideology.

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Conservative movements are usually authoritarian in nature. Conservatism is usually about supporting the existing power structure and hierarchy.

Real libertarians (the ones that don’t want to use the government to control people) are exceptionally rare, and most of the conservatives who think they are libertarians are clearly not when it comes to specific social issues like abortion (which a real libertarian would have absolutely no issue with).

Apart from the health-care bit, that is authoritarianism not socialism. Both conservative and liberal movements can be either authoritarian or “libertarian” (not in the way that conservatives use it, but by its original definition).

Most conservative movements and governments throughout history have been authoritarian, not libertarian; and most of those were also autocracies or oligarchies rather than democracies. Most existing conservative countries are autocracies. The coup in Bolivia is an example of one that is forming right now (the party that was installed had only 4% of the vote and is currently rounding up and imprisoning members of the opposition party that actually won the election). You pretty much cannot find a libertarian country on Earth unless you are willing to accept failed states like Somalia.

Health-care in particular is an industry were socialism is many times better than Capitalism (since the Capitalist incentives in that industry are to overcharge patients as much as possible and let them die if they cannot pay). Government run healthcare is more efficient and produces better results, whether that is through a mixed system (government insurance that negotiates prices in a private market, this is how most countries do it) or through a completely public system like the UK’s NHS (this system is far better than the US system, although the Tory party has caused tried to destroy the NHS by defunding it). The US has the worst health-care system of any industrialized country specifically because it is a capitalist system. We get charged more than anyone else for worse health outcomes, and many states have infant mortality rates and other problems that are only seen in third-world countries with inadequate health-care facilities.

That is not correct. Most conservative countries throughout history were authoritarian in nature and enforced hierarchies as a matter of law.

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Did you not read anything I wrote? You literally don’t know what conservatism is by definition. You are looking at green and calling it blue because you don’t know what the word “blue” means.

You have a contradiction here. You can’t both claim that they enforce natural hierarchies and claim that they are authoritarian. Hierarchies come about naturally as a result of individuals exercising their personal freedoms, which by definition is NOT authoritarian.

Enforcing equality of outcome to destroy hierarchies and thus personal freedoms IS authoritarian and that is EXACTLY what leftism seeks to do. You CANNOT use the state to enforce equality of outcome without being authoritarian BY DEFINITION.

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No, hierarchies are often a result of generational wealth and privilege; and conservatives often favor the protection of those existing hierarchies through law.

You do not have equality of opportunity when people benefit from generational wealth and inheritance; when you have disparity in education; disparity in access to tools and assistance from others; disparity in healthcare; disparity in access to food, clothing, housing, etc at a young age; etc.

The resulting hierarchy from that is not a result of individuals exercising their personal freedoms, it is a result of systemic inequality. Most liberals/leftists are not in favor of equality of outcome, they are in favor of equality of opportunity.

But that requires certain necessities to be provided to everyone and equal access to certain resources such as education so that individuals start on the same baseline.

Which come about by the personal freedoms of individuals competing in a free market.

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Usually that is not the case. It is particularly not the case in countries like the US which have centuries of systemic racism affecting generational wealth, access to education/healthcare, current law and treatment of minorities by law enforcement, bias in hiring, etc.

To be blunt, the “American Dream” which everyone is taught to believe in is a total myth. Outcomes in the US are heavily influenced by generational wealth and race; whereas countries like Canada have far better economic mobility than the US.

Again, you misunderstand the fundamental principles of these two ideologies and as a result you cannot put two words together without creating a contradiction. You can’t have an authoritarian society and then do a 180 and claim it’s authoritarian because of hierarchical oppression.

Conservativism is the promotion of personal freedoms which naturally create hierarchies as people compete in a free market. You can’t cry about the hierarchy without admitting, be definition, that it isn’t authoritarian. The character of the individual decides where he is in the hierarchy, not the system.

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You are denying the existence of pretty much every empire in history with that statement.

If there was a government that was authoritarian, then by definition it wasn’t conservative. Conservativism is not a catch-all phrase for everything you hate, it has a specific definition.

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Just curious how being insulted impedes your “freedom”. I don’t see it.

However, I can see how censoring/punishing “mean” opinions could lead to a lack of freedom. Just sayin’.

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Now you have lost all credibility.

Of course my kids will inherit my wealth! Because I made that decision, with my own Freedom and control over what I produced.

We are not in the 1800s anymore. All western societies are extremely meritocratic, almost to the point at which they would unmake themselves (a sign of a dying civilization).

You are supporting an ideology based on 19th century thinking, that failed heavily upon it’s 20th century implementation, literally creating and enforcing the very social order it decried as bourgeois and fascistic.

Nowhere can you see a more bourgeois and class based system than in communist countries, where social ascendancy is intimately tied to party loyalty, even when it goes against more natural loyalties like family.

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Leftists don’t get rid of the systems they hate, they just put them in control of the state which is then a monopoly of the whole economy; a monopoly that has a police force and military. Yikes!

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After every Leftie revolution, the revolutionaries get killed by the very leaders they supported.
That is because actual Communists hate opinionated revolutionaries, and prefer submissive conformists.
Lenin called western socialists “useful idiots”, because what he planned for them was exactly the opposite of what they wanted by supporting him.

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