Ally commander tier list

I mean, it’s not to say that it’s not a viable strategy for base brutal i guess. But it’s like trying to cook a steak with a magnifying glass. You can DO it.

But… I kinda doubt a magnifying glass is the best tool for the job when you have a burner available or like a sous chef machine or mass Marines or other commanders with the same thing (BCs), but better with 1500 hp, or triple yamatos, or tankier, or 250-300% more dps while mind controled (vega). or free (normal mind controls / reclaimers ).

It works but like… Without p2 or p3, i’d still literally compare it to a gimped build like dead ultimates no vipers abathur just cause like. It’s slow moving units without a lot of payoff with a incredible ramp up time that doesn’t really do anything particularly well other than not be a marine for Raynor outside of maybe, brutations i guess where… You want bc raynor but nothing really threatens you the first 7-15 minutes and it’s soft enough to go down, but for some reason, wouldn’t want triple Yamatos or a hyperjumping healer or super tanky elite units or life leeching ultimates or tanky healing or 1500 hp but…

Just a vanilla battlecruiser, with occasional afterburners p2 or cds on p3 (which is fairly servicable, but most of the bc raynors i’ve met so far, well, a limited small sample size of 6/7. Only tried it on p0 and 1 on p3 and the rest didn’t seem to bother much past that.

Tl;dr: Sure, you can use a weaker tool to finish the job, like a magnifying glass to cook a steak when you have a gas burner (marines)/ Triple Yamatos / 1500 hp BCs..

[But… Unless it’s p3 or a mutation… What builds do worse than p0 mass bc no def 20 minutes pug que raynor other than Go AFK swann and no attack no def karax?]

I feel like you just haven’t seen enough players doing mass BCs. Or perhaps even a good player doing mass BCs.

Nobody is saying mass BCs are the ultimate build or even the best at all. I am saying they are perfectly viable 90% of the time. And no, not a “magnifying glass” situation lol. And I’ve mentioned plenty of bad strategies that are comparable.

My ultimate point isn’t “we die on mass BCs or nothing else”. The point is that player skills and experience really do play a huge roll. It’s due to this very reason that some like yourself sees mass BCs as completely useless (or perhaps essentially useless).

Mr. Falcon glad to see you still hanging around.

Lots of people go mass battlecruisers.

It takes real leadership and let it all hang out and go for mass sovereign battlecruisers :sunglasses::sunglasses::sunglasses:

Yo let’s do mass BC with P1 Raynor :sunglasses:

Lol, yeah, like if he said P1 mass BCs, I’d have some reservations for sure. :sweat_smile:

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I’m telling guys you got to go mass sovreign battlecrussiers with P1 Han and Horner. Don’t make even make galleons or reapers in the early game, just rush sovreign battlecrussiers.

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Hey now. My fave p1 army is Bio-ball BC. :smiling_face_with_tear:

Haha, hey that’s fair though cuz you’re transitioning via Bio. Raynor without MULE going straight to BC really does have a much large down-time gap.

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I once went P0 mass banshee against a psi storm comp. We ended up losing that game :upside_down_face:
I still haven’t found a use for Raynor banshees. Even against void rifts, suicide marines are a better option.

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S Tier (Both Offense and Defense):

  1. Raynor - All-purpose commander with different prestiges (Backwater Marshall for Infantry, Rough Rider for Vehicles, and Rebel Raider for Starships). The easiest commander of all time.
  2. Zeratul - Solo attack in early game finding artifacts, deploying Tesseract and Xel’naga Photon Cannons to match the odds.
  3. Abathur - Toxic Spores for defensive purposes. In late game, Brutalisks, Leviathans, and Swarm Queens to go on the offensive.
  4. Mengsk - Earthsplitter Artillery for long range defenses, elite Dominion troops, supported by laborers for offensive attacks.
  5. Tychus - Heaven’s Devils heroes used for both offense and defense tactics (Example: Tychus is the main, Rattlesnake, Sirius, Nux and Lt. Nikara for defensive support, Blaze, Crooked Sam, and Vega for offensive advance.)
  6. Han and Horner - Aerial defensive specialists, deploying mag mines in early game, War Galleons with enough missiles to keep up on the offense.

A Tier (Offense):

  1. Kerrigan - Swarms of Zerglings and Hydralisks provide Kerrigan enough firepower when combining with Assimilation Aura and Immobilization Wave.
  2. Artanis - Using power field to warp an army of heavy-hitting Aiur Protoss units. Thus, solar bombardment and orbital strike to soften up enemy ranks.
  3. Zagara - Banelings and Scourges are highly deadly. Corruptors and Zerglings will overwhelm the enemy armored columns.
  4. Stetmann - Mecha Swarm is highly powerful, upon death, they become scrap metal as a resource material.
  5. Alarak - The ultimate Protoss hero, he can solo in early game, sacrificing Supplicants and killing enemy units restores his health and shields. Supported by ranged Tal’darim Protoss units.
  6. Vorazun - Silent but deadly, Dark Templars with Shadow Fury and Dark Archons with Mind Control and Confuse are Amon’s weaknesses. The Nerazim are the masters of stealth and manipulation.
  7. Nova - She can solo in early game, sending elite Terran special forces as backup in late game. Deploying nukes and drones for support.
  8. Fenix - Fenix’s Purifiers are durable and deadly, calling upon his Champions to lead into battle.

B Tier (Defense):

  1. Swann - Laser Drill, buffed up mechanized units, heck, even concealed turrets and cannons. What could possibly go wrong?
  2. Karax - Photon Cannons, Khaydarin Monoliths, OG SC1 Shield Batteries, even Colossi to match their attacks.
  3. Stukov - Weak in early game, powerful in late game. Eventually using Infested Civilians as artillery cannons for Infested Siege Tanks and grounding air units with Infested Diamondbacks.
  4. Dehaka - Primal Zerg, Primal defenses, Primal Worms, and three Primal champions to gain his respect.

Thanks for the laughs. :smiley:

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Me playing Swann on DoN:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U5La_5IHyi4&feature=youtu.be

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