So when are we going to remove zens 30% discord? because its making rammatra in stadium miserable. im discorded i hide behind wall for 2 seconds it goes away and it feels like im discorded again only 2 seconds later
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Unless different in stadium, you got like 7 seconds of freedom, it’s pretty much basic tank play to hide and remove it first.
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unless something is bugged or my gameplay just feels faster, im always discorded even if i run kitsune to cleanse, discord is just not a fun mechanic to against especially when there is only 1 tank in the game, i think the way they should do it is discord cant stay on the target for more then 5 seconds or something like that
Ramattra is busted in stadium and yet tank players still complain about Ana zen lol they literally have so much health and resistance that the game last for 30 minutes and overtime feels a whole game by itself. If it wasn’t for tank survival each game would last ten minute max
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zen has had a high pick rate with consistent high win rate the since his buff its a major balancing issue im just saying have a set time it can last for just so tanks can play the game
Set time is a no for me. It’s meant to be bounced around, and the fact it’s already on a 6-7 second cool down once it’s removed from a target to be able to be applied to them again.
Zen is fine as is, he’s a feast or famine hero, you have to be good or you’re useless.
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Being good on Zen is extremely easy for the amount of free value he provides with discord orb while spamming down lanes safely from narnia since he has no fall off. The hero plays itself like most supports.
If Zen is spamming and you’re walking into that, that’s a you problem. He does not get free value by existing, that’s pure cope.
Disregarded.
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i dont play stadium but discord is quite an issue in 5v5 nonetheless
very weird they nerfed it only in 6v6 despite it being a bigger issue in the mode with just a single tank to slap it on but whatever
Because it’s not hard to just put a shield up or go around cover and be immune to it for 7 seconds.
In 6v6 the tanks are overall weaker, and Zen is easier to be dived by mobility in general. I really haven’t noticed much difference between 30 and 25% regardless, I actually forgot they nerfed him 6v6.
Ram tears? You’ve got to be kidding.
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“just los it” well yes youre right but keep in mind that everything in this game can be avoided with map cover
the problem is that the counterplay to discord is the same as anti despite it being an auto target button press with a significantly lower cooldown
And? I main a tank where discord can get me one shot by Roadhog, and I still don’t have an issue with it. I adapt and play around it, instead of demanding nerfs to an ability that has been in the game for 10 years.
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balance should never remain static just because “oh we accept it because its always been like that”
the game is a lot different now than it was back then
either way people probably wouldnt be asking for discord nerfs if blizzard hadnt randomly buffed it in the first place
They bounce between 25 and 30, done it for years. I just don’t find it that oppressive even when tanking.
I bait it as Queen, remove it, then charge in with the immunity time. Most Zens see tank and just discord instantly and it just throws off his rhythm.
When you start playing 6v6
Zen is just severely outdated in general.
Juno is picked WAY WAY more than zen or Ana in fact zen and Ana pick rate in stadium is low many other supports are picked way more, and that’s Just in stadium ranks. Zen and Ana are DESIGNED to put pressure on tanks, their whole kit is to punish bad tank plays which no other support is able to do that! Brainoff charging Reinhard into support? Np, delete him! If you don’t play tank with your brain turned off and actually play tank for how it was supposed to be played, a plan. Then these two supports would be no issue for you at all. I would argue brig is the most annoying for good tank players, but that’s another thread.
I’m a good Reinhardt and Stadium Zen is the reason why I stopped tanking and started playing Zen. I picked him up pretty fast last season and now I’m deleting entire teams with him.
Honestly he doesn’t even need discord to be OP. Just another hero that is absolutely broken when you put stadium into the mix. The only reason why his pick rate isn’t higher is because most people don’t know how to build him and he’s super vulnerable to being dove in the early rounds.
Hate to tell you. Ram will be nerfed first and much harder than zen will in stadium.
I will also point out in his current state good Rams are basically server admins and probably make the game less fun than Zen does.