Players, DPS in particular are always going to be whiny babies about Support. Always have been. Always will be.
Zen is over-tuned right now and they need to nerf Discord on Tanks.
Zen’s health needs to be brought down to 250.
Reverting his orb size to its original value, or at least a smaller number would help too and he’d be perfect.
Of course, DPS would still find a way to moan about him like always.
He just needs a primary hitbox nerf. That’s about it.
Look man, I get that there’s this weird support supremacy thing here but EVERY thread is support players complaining. And before the patch, that was still the case. Be it about sombra or whatever. I just disagree
I have seen more “nerf support” threads and comments than anything else on the forums.
I think it’d be better if Ana was the strongest. Anti isn’t fun, but setting up enemies for more damage seems more react-able than Zenyatta’s “you will now take more damage” orb.
Then we are looking at very different threads. The most liked post I’ve seen consistently is supports complaining the game is ruined
It’s been largely “Nerf Supports” for 8 seasons.
Supports got a severe nerf and DPS are still crying about supports, only now it’s either because “they do too much damage” or calling supports bad because they aren’t getting enough healing now.
She’s been the strongest for countless seasons. She’s still incredibly strong. Sleep and Anti are two of the strongest abilities in the game.
And if you look at the history of my posts from any year I’ve said the same thing you just said about Supports.
Doesn’t mean DPS aren’t whiny about not completely dominating at all times.
Difference is I can call them out and call out the Supports and not acting like it’s just one side.
I know, I just have the opinion that this is how she should be. Ideally, every hero would be equally balanced, but I don’t think that’s possible. For that reason, a hero that’s relatively difficult to play for one reason or another should be the best one in the role. They don’t have to be stupid hard, but it should be a hero that requires things like accuracy, and powerful abilities that requires the player to make judgement calls.
These changes he is F tier again. Discord could be nerfed but with 250 HP he will get deleted.
Why everyone complaining about Zen when lucio winrates are higher right now?
I’m a Zen main, that’s certainly not complaining about him. Been playing him while everyone else was pouting, talking about he was a throw pick prior to S9.
These changes would not dumpster him.
Zen was never really consider a throw pick though, he was just overshadow by Illari, Kiriko, and Bap.
The map pools did not help either, since he’s primarily just play on Circuit Royal map since that was his best map. While he can play on other maps, there were just easier support heroes on those maps.
Honestly, doesn’t really needs that much change other than just make discord half effect on tanks vs other roles.
I agree. My point is to illustrate that Support players are just as whiny as the DPS.
oh definitely. I find all roles are as whiny in the the forums in general.
Or get it cleansed, or bubbled or force Zen to reposition/discord another target. But according to the forums, it just stays on the tank from spawn to the defeat screen. 
Zen is going to make everyone pass into the iris, whether they like it or not.
Why is everyone dogging on Zen all of a sudden? No one said a word about him before this season?
Did some big streamer say he was OP?
He literally is everywhere and discord is now better and easier to follow up on
Only because of the DPS passive. That isn’t an issue with Zen himself, but rather the passive that makes tanking miserable
He is more or less the best hero in the game at the moment. Have you tried him? It’s VERY apparent.