i still find hog fun, plus zen still isnt bad lol
Heās definitely bad now, discord got a monumental nerf and his buffs were peanuts by comparison. Discord being the only reason youād ever pick him over Illari, yeah no heās bad
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And if the player canāt pop off with him, he has no ability easy enough to use for bad players and no significant utility for good players.
Come on what? You didnāt give a good explanation, sorry.
You guys act like Zen was not a glass cannon before and somehow with a HP buff heās worse? like what?
The discord change doesnāt make him suddenly awful, now you have to think about who you discord thatās all.
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Yes. You hit every headshot or you just die. Be Jjonak or be dead. That is a standard everyone should be able to meet
The whole zen change feels really lazy to be honest. They keep the 25% dmg for the entire team but make it so when discord is removed hes now useless at defending himself.
The kiriko change is also very lazy, same with lifweaver, who still has one of the best team fight winning ults in the game. Since you cannot block any of the trees effects, unlike zen ult, where you can block healing with a shield.
20 days ago i wrote a change thats similar to this but i feel like would have been better.
As a Zen player it feelsā¦ok for the most part. I wasnāt the kind of Zen to keep switching discord targets over and over, it was more like a deterrent: someone plays in an aggressive way or not near cover, you leave discord on them until they die or are forced to back down.
well made characers dont need a crutch button for bad players.
absolute lie. discord is still a good abilitity, all this nerf does is stop bad zen player from leaving it on the tank 24/7 and requires genuine thinking
does literally nobody in the forums play the characters they have fun with and not the meta? god it must be such a boring life. people still play cass over ashe, and people will still play other tanks but orisa, people will still play zen. While I would prefer them removing the cool down after swapping targets, people are acting like heās unplayable as hog, rediculous
Nobody peels still.
I had a match where a sombre was spawncamping on ashe and our tank kept typing āGroup up dammit!ā
How?
I gotta baby sit ashe because shes getting spawn camped. (Not blaming ashe btw)
Nope, he is not expected to be like that, it is why they gave him more health as part of the discord nerf.
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On the other hand, rapid discord probably became the hardest achievement, maybe on par with Bapās WoO.
Sure, but first quote where I specifically claimed you said that. Iām patient. Iāll wait.
20 characters, ill wait.
also, right here you dope
The HP buff does nothing to compare to this 7 sec crap.
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All other supports are a better pick now
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Iāve been playing mostly Zen for the past 4 days in very sweaty matches with experienced players.
I feel the pain, but heās still pretty damn good.
I played a match a few hrs ago where our Sombra (averaging GM1 to T500 every season) immediately demanded that I get off Zen. This is while weāre in the hero select screen. I blocked them and we ended up winning both rounds on Li Jiang.
The best thing you can do is be confident in your own abilities. You canāt win every time, but playing smart with some skill and teammates thatāll back you up help.
What you posted makes no sense. Nowhere in my quote does it say I ever even hinted at the idea he was OP. I said I will explain it if you quote where I said YOU said I said that. Were you complaining how broken and overpowered he was all 7 years up to this point?