No because that’s actually a real counter
So is Zarya vs D.Va. You are just one of those people who is a habitual liar and I can’t trust you.
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How can an opinion be a lie
You are not a D.Va main. That is a lie.
And you troll so often that I honestly don’t know what your actual opinions are anymore. Seriously you switch sides like a pendulum and I know some of it is a poor attempt at sarcasm or humor but you say it with a straight face.
About the only thing I do know is true about you is that you hate Winston and D.Va. I’m guessing a support main who wants the game to be easy mode.
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Heh heh heh heh I guess we’ll never know
If you ask the Pharah vs Junkrat players, I think a common census would be, “that counter sucks because it’s so one-sided”.
Do we really want to use that as a benchmark?
Yep totally disingenuous argument from them. A more sensible argument would’ve been “lets ask the Rein players about Ramattra”
When it comes to the tank role, that is as close as you are going to get to one-sided.
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I was actually looking at your comment about “that’s a real counter”.
Is that what you want Zarya vs. D.Va to be?
I was speaking a bit hyperbolically because Shoegazer is being a bit ridiculous saying one of the most well known counters in the game isn’t a counter. As in the next post of his might even be more ridiculous to that effect.
Just because you CAN play around a counter doesn’t mean it isn’t a counter is my point. And tanks in general, not just D.Va, aren’t usually only going up against 1 counter. We get tag teamed with 2, 3, or sometimes 5 counters. At some point even if they aren’t a hard counter individually, they stack up to be.
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No, I might not have been clear but that’s kind of the opposite of what i’m saying
my point is that Zarya vs Dva is not a one sided counter like that
Dva does have options, but none of them are particularly good, and certainly not better than just switching to a different tank.
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Rein vs Ramattra is a much closer matchup than D.Va vs Zarya too. Let’s be honest about that. Orisa when she is strong counters Rein harder than Ram does too. That is maybe a bit closer to the level of counter we are talking about.
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Does ram even counter rein? Nemesis form has a limited duration and long cooldown, and loses his own shield in the process.
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I appreciate you clarifying. I genuinely didn’t know what you meant by “real” counter - if that was what you considered an ideal counter or not.
I would still argue that Zarya does counter D.Va. You don’t have to outright body someone in order to counter them. I find that Zarya:
- Forces D.Va to think about her positioning (i.e., not close to her, especially at mid+ charge).
- Punishes D.Va for being too close to her especially at mid+ charge.
- Can save the targets that D.V charges at.
But it’s not one-sided to the point where just by picking Zarya, you cannot play D.Va. There is some room to play around Zarya, but it is much harder.
IMO that is a real counter to me. Pharah vs. Junkrat is an unfortunately hard, one-sided counter that feels too lob-sided.
I also don’t like the idea that one hero = one other hero’s counter that hard. Zarya + Mei or Zarya + Symm means that D.Va’s probably getting demeched a lot.
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I think he does to a degree. It’s not a hard counter, but Ram can outpace Rein outside of his charge, punch through his shields, and gets enough armor from going into Nemesis form (that gets re-implemented if he ults) that he’s not too threatened by Reinhardt.
Reinhardt gets a lot of pressure vs. Ram but can outplay it.
I missed the mark there I guess
Traditionally Ram was good into Rein but he’s been buffed to the point where Rein kinda pwns him
Now I am interested to know who would kill the other first in an insolated hammer/firestrike vs nemesis slug fest.
tbh with tanks, hard-countering is a huge no-no and red flag. because that means the team that has the tank being countered that hard is probably going to lose.
Zarya vs. D.Va or Ram vs. Rein countering is ideal. Orisa vs. Doomfist or Orisa vs. Roadhog countering is unhealthy. 