Your Overwatch using replay feature to expose players

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meh, between youtube and twitch there really should not be any sort of assumption of privacy anymore. You’re always at risk of your in game actions being put on blast and everyone should know it by now.

I really don’t have a problem with a negative person who was squawking at their team being exposed as being part of the problem in the first place. I don’t want to see direct name and shame over just random game play or troll content videos of a smurf mocking low SR players.

but other wise, it’s no big deal. It’s really no big deal if they block out the name. We have been told there are something like 40+million account sold. That’s more accounts than the entire population of California.
Sooooooooo yeah, not too worried about it.

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It would be stupid if replay only showed your pov. You could just record your game to get the same thing.

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Wait. It records voice? wtf?

Also I was going to make a thread about something similar.
if there is an option to lock profiles, why is there no option from removing yourself from replays.

I don’t feel ok with people spying on my games when they feel like.

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Well that was a BS video.
The narrator basically states that you shouldnt blame your teammates, yet does nothing but focus in on the mistakes of his team mate, blaming him for the whole thing. Then when his own friend makes a mistake he writes it out like it’s nothing.

And if he is the one playing Orisa then he is doing some really stupid choices also, like some of the shields he deploys are downright bad.

Also, did he say something about himself or someone else playing on an ”alt account” to play with their friends in diamond? That is not an alt account, that is smurfing. And he also goes on to mock diamond players’ game sense. Like, wtf?

This whole video is nothing but trying to blame others for losing and putting someone on the spot. He even says in the beginning that we all have bad plays and games from time to time, yet he continues to focus the one player throughout the match all the while trying to explain away his or his friend’s mistakes like they’re nothing.

Like, come on. Practice what you preach, or don’t preach at all. Hypocrisy much?

Besides, that dude in the video is frustrated, yes, and not playing too well, yes, but I see and hear a lot more toxic behaviour almost daily.

Also, it’s not difficult to recognise someone you know from their voice and who/how they play and in what rank. It’s very easy for someone who knows this player to know it is him.

Like honestly, this whole clip in itself is a 1000 times more ”toxic” and toxicity inducing than that Ashe player. Your overwatch, baaaaaad call releasing something like this.

Ps
I don’t think the replay records voice chat? Most likely he recorded the actual game and added the chat audio to the replay later

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No, I don’t believe it records voice or even text chat, at least I didn’t see any way to play back any kind of chat when viewing my own replays.

However, if you record your game with OBS or ShadowPlay or the like, you’ll record all the audio that way.

How would you remove yourself from replays? Would the replay just have a missing player? That’s not really possible with the current technology since it actually records actions, and re-simulates the entire match. Remove a player and you also remove all the damage, healing, displacements, etc., and the entire match will play out wrong.

That leaves simply not allowing anyone to have a replay if even one player in the match wants to be removed from replays. Might as well not have replays then.

You could mask names, I guess, but ‘names’ are already pseudonymous handles, so I don’t really see the value.

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I get your point but it is not like anyone asked us if we want to be in replays.
it is also not the same as just someone recording you with a video since the replays allows them to look everywhere and some things can get misinterpret when comes to lets say reports.

Someone may report me for being afk or throwing if I am reporting someone in that moment or i am experiencing issues with the game.

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Guy deserves it for being toxic. I hate the ‘never my fault’ mentality.

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You know you can report after a game has concluded or on the ending screen too, right?

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Can’t tell who it is so it’s no problem. I think that type of content is needed because otherwise, I don’t see those type of players ever learning.

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On playstation you can though.

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If you’re toxic or throw, and someone else uses the replay system to expose you, it is deserved.

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I guess so, but it’s not like they can’t see your unmoving silhouette through the walls anyway to conclude that you’re afking. I mean, you should probably report after the match anyway, but even if you don’t, you’re probably not stationary for any longer than somebody typing out a strategy suggestion in voice chat or the like so I don’t think it would be remarkable.

That’s not to say it won’t get reported, there’s always someone who will report anything, including playing as any given character or saying ‘gg’ at the end of a game. I don’t see replays as being a major factor in that problem.

On the other hand, replays will allow you to check out ‘aimbot’ and ‘smurf’ play from a first person point of view. That may actually reduce false reporting, but it will also expose the real cases with clear evidence.

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yes but you don’t get to see the details of what everyone is doing in every given moment.

Blizzard can already check the player once when you report them. They still won’t ban him unless cheating device is detected.

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I’ve seen that video yesterday.
You know they’ve hidden the player name for a reason, right?

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Can they, though? I mean, maybe, now that replays have been made more robust and scalable, I guess they could save replays for matches that were reported and be able to review them if they get to it before the next patch.

I’m not sure that they do, and I’m pretty sure that they wouldn’t review anyway except on appeal. I’m also pretty sure they punish players for exceeding any report threshold, including cheating reports.

They do have automated cheat detection, but it isn’t foolproof. It also is likely running on live matches, maybe all of them, maybe prioritizing players who have been reported for cheating, who knows. I don’t think it is designed to run on past games… I don’t think they had access to replays before now, if they even do now, so they wouldn’t have been able to.

I don’t believe though that cheat detection is the only way to get banned for cheating. Actually, I know it’s not. You can, at the least, also get banned for cheating by streaming yourself using cheat software… kind of an extreme case though, that is… but, anyway, I still think you can also get banned for cheating with large numbers of reports.

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That’s why I never talk on the voice chat in competitive. I only do it when I farm Legendary achievements during Archives as it takes a lot of team coordination.

While I agree that answering bullying with another type of (maybe milder) bullying is not okay either, people that use voice chat should all know what using voice chat implicates.

Any streamer can freely record your voice without asking for any sort of copyright or consent from the person’s part (which is kinda strange as I had to ask for the consent of every person I voice recorded for any uni projects a few years ago).

So if you’re like me, not very comfortable with the idea that someone could track you down on the internet by recognizing your voice or any other personal detail you might accidentally give out, better stay away from using voice chat (or even text chat).

You can still join it to listen to other people that don’t care about exposing their voices on an online game.

So could the opposite when that toxic person bullied other people just because the team was losing a game. Again, I’m against the “an eye for an eye” policy but anyone can be seen as a victim in this scenario.

I agree, even though this video’s goal was to reassure people that were bullied during their game, advising them to look at the replays of the bullies’ gameplay just so they acknowledge that most of the time, those guys are the problem because they tilted (maybe a few games earlier) and are making a lot of mistakes themselves (and are just looking to blame others to take all their rage out).

Your Overwatch shouldn’t make more videos like these though as it could become popular and encourage people to make their own “exposing toxic people” videos. I think it’s against the CoC to do such a thing on the forums. I don’t know about Youtube’s stance about it.

Even though I’m hardly ever toxic (more like answering to bullying when it happens), I wouldn’t like my username to appear all over the internet, even if it’s just me playing.

Usernames should always be hidden. I would appreciate it more if Overwatch just displayed the name of the hero we play just so streamers don’t have to face that consent problem or people reporting their videos to be taken down.

If I ever found a video of a streamer in which I accidentally appear (and I know you might say I’m overreacting but) I would report the video so it’s taken down by Youtube or Twitch.

The only voice chat I’m using is when I’m on Discord when I play with my friends because it’s a safe space with people I know for a long time.

Overwatch is not like World or Warcraft where there’s the notion of guilds and respect among members (on Team Speak or Discord). In a shooter game, name calling and bullying occur a lot more so if you’re not ready for this, better stay aways from any type of chats.

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Don’t report Paul ! He is a toxic pro, we need him

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You agreed to the games EULA, TOS, and COC in order to play. Blizzard can do whatever they want with any IP generated by your playing their game, including relicensing it to streamers.

Whether or not you can record someone otherwise really depends on where you live, as does what you can do with that recording. It varies from being able to record anything almost anywhere (bathrooms and other people’s… bedroom recreation… is generally not allowed to be recorded) to not being able to record anything, even for private archives, without informed consent of everyone involved in the recording.

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I knew we got screwed over somewhere along the road :p… which explains all the streamers being free from asking consents. Thanks for letting me know :slight_smile: !

It comforts me even more in the fact I’m barely using voice chat.

I have to admit I’m not aware of my country’s laws in regards to recording or filming people in public places.

We all have smartphones with cameras and recorders so it’s easy to violate people’s privacy. I think it’s allowed in the US to record a police officer for instance as a proof of police violence against citizens that are racialized.

I guess it can be a good thing to record people without their consent in certain situations… but I’m not from the USA and even though racism is everywhere, we don’t often face that kind of problems where I live.

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So he can flame in the game and distress people but youroverwatch cant do this right? The logic is real.

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