You Know What Sucks?

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Learning from resources (ie YT videos, twitch streamers, OWL, high-ranked friends, disc communities etc) and then jumping into QP or low-ranked (ie plat and below) matches.

Why?

Because you learn - quite painfully - that the “average” OW player either doesn’t know or blatantly doesn’t care for the fundamentals you spend time studying and making your own. You find yourself punished for playing what you learned was the most optimum means for the hero/role of your choice.

The typical result when you ask for cooperation? Vitriol. The icing on that? It’s not even high-level strats being asked for but simple things.

Tanks, can we push-up and take space so they can’t re-contest?
We have picks, let’s push in.
We need to regroup, wait for 6.
Hey, their phara is feeding on our Reaper/Mei/Brig comp and piecing us up, can we swap?
Can we take the highground here so their hitscans don’t get free angles on us?

All statements apparently an affront to any religion or creed imaginable.

But, you know what? The game never teaches anyone even the basics of the fundamentals that govern the strategy portion of this game. “Here’s how this one hero operates in a target range; good job! You’re ready to go into the wide world of OW!” So ya, it’s not the players’ fault, as frustrating as it is to hear their responses.

We desperately need something in-game that prepares new players for the full game played with a competitive attitude. No, not saying everyone should be playing the game to be in the comp mode. I’m saying everyone should have access to learning the basics, within the game, of what a match of OW should look like.

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What really sucks is having a sombra in total mayhem

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First of all these can be quite useful, though do not copy the behaviour.
Take into account you can use this knowledge, though judge yourself how, when and what you’re going to use.

If you’re learning knowledge that doesn’t apply ranking then i’d recommend tuning it down (e.c Coaching)

You’re learning from resources, does that boost your independent ability?
Yes it does, but does it boost team-play? Not directly no.

This game is heavily team reliant, so hero knowledge and independent skill belongs to average players.

Diamond+ (aka above average) has a must of Comms/Team-play.

Not everyone thinks like you do, hold that in mind.
Use Voice Chat to point these things out and take the position of a leader whilst coordinating your team.

It’s true that this game isn’t friendly to new players, so it’s a slow learning process.
Start too early and you might drop too low, though usually these players end up below average (Bronze/Silver)

I understand this concept, i’ve thought about it too before.

Though it won’t be as much of use.
Learning about Meta, Callouts and Team-Play is overall only gained from actual experience.
If you create another mode where they can learn this that means they have to queue up with other players.
You can’t trust that all these players are going to try their best.

Not to mention if you’re going to practice without it being direct experience (aka a normal comp match) then you’re limited to what you can practice.

You’re not put under the normal pressure so Team play etc doesn’t apply that much.

Mostly Independent skill (e.c Mechanical Aim, Map/Hero Knowledge) that will usually grant you a way to around Platinum.

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Thank you for typing-out everything that was inferred by the things I posted. From the study of the game I’ve done, common guidance provided is always phrased as “now, this is great in x rating but you have to remember, players below x aren’t going to naturally enable this type of gameplay”, or something along those lines…

Useless until your in mid-masters or higher, I wouldn’t recommend anything that alludes to meta for introductory players, especially with a meta that changes frequently.

A simple “time stop” in a tutorial 6v6 could say “Hey! Look at that enemy Widow on the high ground; that sniper poses a significant threat to your team, you should alert your teammates of her position!” (Having a tagging system would greatly aide this for those who don’t like speaking in vc)

Lol, totes obvs

“Mostly” being the operative there lol

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I understand that meta only really has an effect on higher ranked players, but that’s not directly true although i said that myself.

Meta heroes can still be put to great use, though of course i think strategy itself is more important than meta compositions then. Which is also a skill learned from in-game experience.

I think these kinds of things will be put in the new Voice Wheel coming up soon.

Yip yip

That’s fair, though i think these points can be trained in other modes (e.c VS. AI - Practice Range - Aim Training CG’s)

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They don’t care. Its the point I have suggested to some players and the attitude is “I jez wunna have fun”…seriously. I’ve even been called sweaty… _in comp… wtf

About 1/3 of the player-base is happy to smack the controls, listen the sounds and watch the pretty butt cracks dance by merrily losing game after game or being carried, even with silver border accounts.

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vacuum cleaners.

they suck

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Yes, that’s a common thing in every online competitive game. If you invested your time in learning about the game but are not strong enough you stay stacked and it just looks like you are playing with people who don’t even understand the game.

The truth is that if you are stucked in low elo it’s because despite what you think, you don’t understand how the game works either/ don’t use your knowledges.

FOrget about QP, this mode is useless if you want to play a bit seriously: unbalance between attack and defense, the system encourages people to leave and basically no one cares here.

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True to a point, but not 100% true.

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JEFF AND THE TEAM DID THIS ON PURPOSE
THE GAMES TUTORIAL IS THE PROBLEM
IT’S LITERALLY ZERO CONTENT OTHER THAN THIS IS A WAYPOINT AND THIS IS TRACER
TAKE THE WAYPOINT

AND THAT’S IT AND Y’ALL WONDER WHY THIS HARDCORE FPS COMPETITIVE TYPE GAME HAS PROBLEMS WHEN IT REQUIRES NOTHING TO JUST QUE AND PLAY NEVER LEARNING THE GAME BECAUSE THE DEVELOPERS ENABLED THE CASUAL AUDIENCE THAT WAY

SAME REASON WHY THE GAME HAS NO TEAM ACCESIBLE SCOREBOARD
AND THE MAJORITY OF THIS COMMUNITY IS TOO STUPID TO REALIZE
THAT THE GAME ASSIGNS TIES TO PLAYERS ON THE SAME TEAM
AND SO EVERY COMS BECOMES SOMETHING ABOUT WHO HAS GOLD WHAT
AND IT LEADS TO SALT THROWING FRUSTRATION

TONS OF WASTED HOURS DUE TO THE SHEER PURPOSEFUL IGNORANCE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT TEAM DUE TO THIER BLOODY GREED!

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The issue is most tanks don’t know what ‘making space’ means. They think if they hold their shield then they have made space and done their part.

I was watching a Jayne VOD review when I first figured it out, and ever since it’s painfully obvious that most tanks don’t have a clue what they are doing.

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Yes I do. Orisa, she sucks right now.

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why does it suck? she’s really good and often the only way stuff gets done in that mode. otherwise zarya, winston, doomfist, moira, and tracer are unstoppable.

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Well she can just perma hack people make that mode not fun

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that’s very true, especially if she targets one specific person.

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Black holes also suck, metaphorically speaking.

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black holes don’t suck. they devour.

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More specifically, they compress.

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I like nerds. lets be friends.

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You’re all wrong