Here are a couple of novel ideas: stop walking in straight lines or stop hoping for guns to not be guns. 
Most Snipers in other games are Boltaction (Like Ana) if you want Widow to have a Boltactionrifle, get ready for Quickscoping which makes Sniper far stronger than Widow ever was.
On top of that most Sniper in other Games can Oneshot with a Body shot.
Widow is one if not the weakest Snipers in a Game. And Overwatch is the game with the most options against Snipers.
Do you play her? Iâll tell you a secret. The people who play her, play her precisely because of her sniper nature and one shot.
Remove the oneshot and you remove the reason why most play her.
A sniper who canât oneshot is irrelevant and uninteresting.
You are comparing to other games that have other, faster one shots. Like if you look at Val. Op players can be one shot by the Vandal in most ranges, a cheaper gun that is hip fired. It is also a game with FAR more vision obscuring things, the OP is prohibitively priced, and everyone is able to buy one at any time.
Even a 2 second cool down to be able to one shot an enemy from sitting far back is barely a âcool downâ.
Like âoh no, the widow missed a shot, donât worry, she can still one tap you two seconds later.â
Compare that to any other DPS, that not only require more than one shot, usually at least one cool down if they want to kill a target as quick as possible (still not as fast as a 1 shot), but also have to put themselves in dangerous positions to be close enough to kill their target. Also, any damage done by another DPS is healable⌠one shot, canât out heal that.
Every other DPS character has to give multiple things up (a cool down), land more than one shot and risk being closer to the enemy team and itâs still not as good as a one shot. For widow, all of that is free at the measly cost of having to wait a second to charge her one shot.
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Widowmakerâs design is precisely why so many players have issue with her.
- People hate playing with you as Widowmaker because you might be completely garbage and a lodestone. Skillfloor too high.
- People hate playing against you since if you get good, they are annoyed as hell at dealing with a hero who disproportionately gets faster kills than any other character in the game.
- Her existence is often prime aimbot territory. Along with any other hitscan in the game like S76, Ashe, and Cass.
I think she can 1shot on projectile, but not on hitscan. The larger hitbox I think would be more fair on projectile instead of hitscan and the shift from 200 â 250hp breaks her niche from Hanzo to Widow.
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I use better positioning so that she doesnât 1 shot meâŚor I switch up to someone and go at her
Either way sheâs a detriment to their team
The Operator in Valorant or the AWP in CS can oneshot with a Bodyshot while other weapons need a Headshot (if they are able to oneshot at all).
Overwatch can also be very cluttered with visuals and you have shields to block damage, you have Immoralities and thanks to the absence of movement acceleration aiming in overwatch pretty difficult (before S9)
And in theory everyone can play Widow. Atleast the DPS can always switch to Widow in our current standard version.
Arsons set fires precisely because of the destructive inferno they cause. Cannibals kill and eat people precisely because of the taste of human flesh.
Youâve made no argument there, mate. Thereâs no reason to keep a toxic mechanic that does nothing but reduce the fun for 9 other people in the game.
Try again.
I donât think itâs a bad idea, I think itâs great. I think sheâs so picked in quickplay because trying to land sick headshots is fun. I think she isnât picked much in comp because getting sick headshots is hard.
She is a fun char you can always sink more hours into. You guys are seeking to make her less popular and just turn the game into everyone is some version of Soldier 76, and I canât stress enough how boring it is to play Soldier. If you make her primary fire her main tool then she is just another S76.
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If you ask me, Widowmaker has now business being in the game at all. You shouldnât be able to stand 2 miles away and head shoot people. There should be proximity system that makes damage much less effective the further away you are, force you to engage in combat.
And other weapons can also one shot in those games.
And those games, have flashes, blinds, smokes, and the fact that every player has access to it alongside other guns also one shotting.
Oh cool Iâll swap off of Winston onto her if I play again.
I would tell the babys that a First Person Shooter isnât the right genre for them and keep her oneshot.
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a hanzo main getting sick of oneshots, the irony
Are you intentionally skipping all the arguments because you canât argue against them?
Operator and AWP only need a bodyshot while other weapons need a headshot to be able to oneshot. Thats a big and important Detail.
And in Overwatch there are shields and immoralities. and the game overall has a ton of clutter. If you want we can play Open queue is every player in a lobby should have all tools available.
Winston is literally one of the best tanks against Widow. Also, if you read a little further, I wrote that in our current version at least the DPS are able to do this. Before RQ, everyone could do it and even before that you could even play several of the same heroes at the same time and still players hated Widow. It has nothing to do with âhaving the optionâ but with âactually doing something about it and being willing to use the options.â
If you play as a DPS against a very good Widow, you have the opportunity to play Widow yourself in order to compete against the opposing Widow with the same options. But do you use this option? Are you even considering this option?
Having options is one thing, but you also have to use them.
Overwatch actually has a number of options against Widow spread across the roles. But as this thread/topic shows, very few people actually want to make use of these options. True to the motto, try to remove the challenge from the game instead of working on yourself and mastering the challenge. Just destroy the Hero others enjoy so I can enjoy my hero more.
She can keep her one shot at certain ranges in 6v6 with two tanks to deal with her whilst sheâs 175hp.
Done.
Because the other arguments arenât relevant. Weâre talking about why the weapons are frustrating. Other games have less frustrating one shots because theyâre
- Equal opportunity.
- Snipers are not the only one shot weapons.
- Have adequate ability to make sniping difficult, alongside their snipers being optimal for holding one angle, not controlling an entire map.
And shields are not per player, those are on the tank primarily.
As for immortalities. Those are pre-emptive tools. If I lamp my teammateâs corpse, do you think itâll revive?
My guy. Shush. You obviously do not understand that balanced game and fun game are two very different terms.
NONE OF THEM ARE FUN TO FACE WIDOW WITH. None of widowâs âcountersâ, are fun to counter her with. Because Widow isnât fun to face. Thatâs the problem. Thatâs why she needs change. So that the game can be fun.
Get that through your skull.
*Kiriko main, you best remember that UwU
Frankly you arent doing it without removing her entire character. A DoT effect will just run most people off the hero because no one likes the feeling of shooting a gun with 1000 ping.
Her literal ENTIRE character, every last singular bit of it, is about her one shot. If you want to rework her and move the game away from the sniper archetype Id say you waited 8 years too long, but if you go by âbetter late than neverâ then just take her out of the game entirely, because I doubt you can make this character feel responsive and satisfying without the instant one shot, and you cant move her out of the oneshot without making her directly compete for the exact same spot as Ashe, in which case she will obviously lose out on 100% of the time unless you rework the rest of Widows entire kit, in which case you literally just removed the entire hero as I said.
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But they are not mutually exclusive
And you should get it in your head that everyone has different tastes and fun is defined differently for everyone. There is no single definition that X is fun and Y isnât because it is highly subjective. There are people who deal with formulas and theorems all the time because they enjoy it, others like to play chess, others play sports all the time, others like to work on old cars in their free time, etc. You canât say that objectively one is fun and the other is not.
Itâs the same here. You donât like playing against Widow because you donât enjoy it. OK, thatâs fair. But I enjoy competing against a Widow, even when Iâm not playing Widow. Am i wrong in finding something fun that you donât find fun?
Society is about always finding a compromise, something that all parties are happy with (unfortunately, this is becoming increasingly difficult these days).
Overall, Overwatch is a good compromise and a good middle ground. Likewise Widow. She could be far, far stronger, which you wouldnât like. But it could also be far weaker and lose its identity, which I and many others wouldnât like. So what do you do? You try to find a middle ground and thatâs exactly the case. Widow has her identity, her oneshot. But itâs generally difficult to play, depending on the situation and maps (note: Iâm not a fan of the recent hitbox adjustments).
Trying to completely change the heroâs identity is not an attempt to find a compromise, but to impose oneâs own ideas on others. Thatâs not how society works, thatâs not how a good community can be created, thatâs just what creates hate and toxicity.