Wow Sombra such a high skill character

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Yet, easily countered by beam/ shotgun characters, most if not every heal/ cleanse, enemies who are all bunched together, turrets, hard countered by damn near every cc, and everyone is getting a health buff next season, which is an indirect nerf to her damage as well as everyone else’s.

And the 2 abilities she uses, one is useless if you take any damage, and the other NEEDS the first to do worthwhile damage. So, what’s the issue? Her invis? Because they considered removing that or her TL in her rework, but all that would’ve done is result in a significant buff to a different aspect of her kit.

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lol people are allowed to dislike one aspect of the game while still enjoying the game overall. Every time someone voices the “Sombra is unfun” opinion (which happens all the time, because many many people find her unfun) people like you freak out and say “JUST FIND ANOTHER GAME IF YOU HATE OVERWATCH SO MUCH!!!”

We don’t hate the game, man, just one of the 39 heroes in it. What else are the forums for if not for voicing minor criticisms or suggestions to improve the game? Stop arguing with people about their SUBJECTIVE SENSE OF ENJOYMENT it’s bizarre

She is far from the weakest hero in the game, but it’s hilarious you would think that. Go play a game of QP and watch your team get picked apart by this menace of a hero. Yeah, high ranked players don’t have much of an issue with her, but Sombra absolutely feasts on uncoordinated teams, which is the way the majority of players experience this game.

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You’re talking about subjective opinion here, and you’ve been doing so for days in various posts. How can it be that other people then tell you that you should maybe look for another game? I really have no idea how it comes to this…

What’s even better is that the statement that Sombra is not the weakest hero can be easily refuted, but you simply ignore it.

Let’s just look at the win rates of the worst heroes. Widow, Cassidy, and Sombra are at the bottom. Just like Sonjourn and Hanzo. What immediately stands out here is that all except Sombra require high precision and thus depend heavily on the player who is currently playing the hero. According to the statements of anti-Sombras, Sombra supposedly doesn’t require skill and shouldn’t be down there. I know reading statistics is hard, especially when you don’t have all the information, but even a blind person should be able to see this.

Now let’s go into a round of QP.

Oh, I can’t do anything because the opponents I usually get in QP are opponents who are just as good as I am or even better. I welcome something like that because then I can improve too.

And how did the game go? Well, everyone watched out for themselves and gave each other cover. I was only able to pick someone off when that player made a mistake. Nothing really changed.

So do you have another request to convince me otherwise? Because I can back up my point of view. You, on the other hand, just say it’s not fun, but you don’t provide any real solutions.

I think it’s even better if you don’t make any suggestions!!!

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Another Sombra thread!

Here are some reminders:

  • She was guttered and dumpstered forever, why didn’t I see ad nauseam threads advocating for a better rework during that time? It was longer than Hog.
  • ANY heal (except Lucio’s passive) nullifies Sombra’s kill potential (unless her aim is perfect)
  • OW1’s Hack was so so so so much worse than OW2’s
  • I see a ton of complaints, I don’t see people asking for her gun or Hack to be buffed to compensate. How would you compensate her or rework her in a way you’d enjoy dying to her? Does that exist? Which utility DPS is your fav to die to?
  • Sombra mains (of which I am not) never asked for Virus
  • Many Sombra mains never asked for unlimited Stealth

So fine, complain. Make her the monster of the week or the witch you want to hunt for now, but when you do so please tell me how you’d fix her or how you’d fit her into OW2 in a way that isn’t offensive to you and that keeps her hero fantasy/identity. I see a lot of pointing out of problems and next to zero solutions. Please remember it was people complaining about her in the first place that got her to this state.

Essentially, if you want Virus weaker do you want her Hack, primary, Translocator or Stealth stronger? The louder your Sombra complaints here (and everywhere else on the forum), the more I want to hear effective solutions from you. Design a non-annoying Sombra you actually want on your team. Otherwise, simply admit you’re venting and she’s just frustrating to die to, along with Mei, Sym, and Junk.

On a personal note (not that I need to explain myself), I don't prefer to play Sombra. I have felt forced to play Sombra due to the matchmaker's staunch decisions to pair me with potatoes roughly every other game. I'm a tank main so I use her to get to point and take space/try and help a push, or to back-cap (which I admittedly love). Virus is only a guaranteed hit if you're whispering sweet nothings into their backline's ear, at which point you're probably going to die if you catch a stray or get decloaked. Translocator is heavily telegraphed and predictable. Sombra is dead if she's decloaked out of TransL. Yes, she absolutely preys on people who get caught out; but you should only be playing a hero that can get caught out if you know how/can self-peel. Again, any heal peels ruin her effectiveness. If you can get your MMR above PC silver (which if you're not, your concern should be focusing on your own mistakes/positioning not how bad Sombra might be... she's not hitting 100% of her Viruses down there anyway), Sombra won't be an issue for you. If you're PC goldplat-dia, never before played Sombra but are now a Virus sniper since you rage-picked her just to post on the forums with authority, I wanna see your compilations! She's also got many good counters.


I don’t have a solution for you if she’s an issue for you above low diamond (but I haven’t heard of her performing well/being a menace in high ranks, because she’s not actually busted-strong like people claim). I completely get it, but if the bulk of your argument is a visceral, emotional, ‘she’s annoying’, that’s well over half of OW heroes. I fully understand venting, but come clean to say that’s what you’re doing.
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And you can’t punish her for her misplay, she will just teleport to the high ground.

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i think her low winrate is that she can do her trick once then has to wait again or wait for the opportune time again. so basically she is out of the fight for a while. probably the best sombras try and keep an constant uptime but yea have to have very good gamesense not to get fished out and teamed up on since your cds are up.

basically a one trick pony that is very good in that instant but after that… shes just meh

also in high play teamwork and abilties to nullify her damage like kiriko suzu and peeling.

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you don’t even have to be an assasin on her, really. You can just play like a hybrid of a flanker and brawler, and you are hard to kill, you have crazy damage, you have utility, and you can anchor around a healthpack and lower the burden of your supports. People have low winrate on her probably because they try to play like an assasin, which is not the way to play her.

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yea im saying the crazyiest part of her rework is that she is a tiny bit better in the highest ranks but became very good in low/mid compared to her previous version. thats why you see her alot… she became a generalist or an invisible soldier 76

still i think soldier 76 is a safer pick for most than sombra. still if you can play sombra very good and soldier as well maybe you can pick your situations?

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The problem a lot of people don’t realize is that post rework, Sombra players are forced to engage and commit to their targets far more than in the past to get any sort of value, since she lost her old translocator.

A Sombra that doesn’t commit to their target = Dead/Useless Sombra.

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I thought Sombra was fine during that period and she was my main DPS. Albeit, I also believed Hog was fine and did not want him reworked either… I am just against reworks. I believe Reaper is fine and do not want him reworked to. I guess it doesn’t mean anything coming from me.

Eh. I can still kill through some healing. It depends.

If by worse you mean worse to experience because it was objectively stronger… Yes. If you mean it is a worse ability, I am not following.

I wish she was reworked as a support. I am not sure what the other utility DPS are. If it is between Symmetra and Mei, I have a bias for Mei. I hate Symmetra too. Not as much as Neo Sombra.

That’s true. The developers just decided to make her easier because nobody picked her.

I have to be honest… I sort of like the unlimited stealth. I understand how disgusting that is, but I just can’t help it!

Of the week? I have been crying since day one of her rework. And I probably won’t even stop once this new patch hits either. :joy:

It’s just a waste of time. Blizzard does not care.

No, it was Blizzard.

That ain’t happening as a DPS. I was more fixated on playing as and against her. She is useless as a teammate. There is no solving that one. I do not even expect Blizzard to try.

And to play against. Even when I am killing her consistently and win the game.

Fair. I use her against godlike Widow, smurfs, 5 stacks, and XIM. You do what you have to do!

You would be surprised. It’s pretty easy to land. Maybe you just suck?

No, she is unhealthy for the game. I do not care if someone who needs to crutch Sombra is frustrated to hear the truth. Sorry, I ain’t evah lie.

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I’m not trying to convince you that she’s a fun, or unfun, hero to play against. I’m saying you can counter her, like the game is designed to do, or you can lose. If you do not like spy checking, I suggest not playing a game where there’s a cloaked hero???

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Here you go again STILL trying to convince me that ACTUALLY I’m having a great time playing Sombra, and if I’m NOT having a wondrous time it’s because I’m too stupid to enjoy this impeccably designed hero.

Don’t take it as a personal slight when someone on the Overwatch Forums of all places says they find a particular facet of the game less than enjoyable.

Again, I’m not arguing she is overpowered, so you can quit bringing up winrates and all that. She is by design an anti-fun hero and even if I win a game against Sombra, I probably had a miserable time.

If you want my ideas for solutions (which you’ll inevitably hate): eliminate stealth as a mechanic or at the very least make it time-limited and revert Sombra’s ability to hack deployables while invisible. That would be a good start

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Spychecking is the lamest mechanic I can think of on an FPS game. Forcing players to spin in circles and shoot thin air all game is crap game design. Again, I counter her plenty. However, I don’t think it’s good game design to force players onto one or two hard counters to not lose by default, thereby eliminating 90% of the hero roster. Even if you counter Sombra perfectly and win the game, you had a miserable experience.

Sombra’s the most complained about hero for a reason. She’s not too strong, she’s just horribly designed. You’re never going to convince me invisibility is a fun or fair mechanic

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I’m real close to being done w the game thnx to Sombra

As a support… All I can do is Ping her… In QP not a single soul comes to help you even tho u ping her everytime

She just hacks, go away, and then u get one clipped from behind…

I don’t care if she is in the enemy team or in my (Or both)

I see supports getting farmed over and over and at this point I’m actually done playing support… And no I refuse to go Moira every single time to deal w her, I don’t enjoy moira…

On PC it’s not that bad yet but on console Q times for support… are longer then they ever been…

alot of supports leave the match as well of they keep getting farmed by sombra and can’t blame them anymore…

If I play w someone at least I can let them know and they help but I’m not always online w friends …

Like I said not a single soul comes to the rescue… Haven’t got one team mate that actually noticed my ping and went on the look out to find her
…

Sick of this absolute garbage fire of a character…

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Having “peel” be the only effective counter to a hero is absolutely garbage. You’re right, teammates peeling for teammates against Sombra in QP just doesn’t happen. I can’t tell you how many games I ping Sombra, ask in text chat repeatedly for help with Sombra - it doesn’t matter. I’m mostly playing competitive these days because there’s at least a non-zero chance my teammates peel in those games.

I have gripes about this game, but all of them I can get over and still enjoy the game. Sombra, on the other hand, single-handedly ruins game after game for me on support.

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I feel you

You notice how they always come from behind and one clips you?

Never leave stealth in front of you?! Becuz it’s a coward play style…

They only dare to show up when they know they won’t have a fight…

Absolute cowards… Any other hero they probably can’t play that’s why they Sombra…

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Yeah it’s no wonder she’s the go-to character for newbies or the crutch you swap to when you’re losing. She’s basically guaranteed at least one pick per fight in QP and I would guess every competitive lobby in plat or below. The required skill/knowledge/aim necessary to kill a squishy on Sombra is waaay disproportional to the amount of skill/knowledge/aim required to fight back and not die as a squishy. It just seems like a dumb idea to make the invisible lady such a terror for new players and yet easy for high-ranked players when OW2 is now so catered to casuals. She destroys casual lobbies with ease

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Back when Hack destroyed shield HP right. Or was it just EMP that did that?

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Yep this

I just leave if there is a Sombra focussing the supports and no one helps

I don’t care if I get a suspension… Better that then a game w Sombra haha

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Personally, I do not think playing Brig or Torbjorn is that hard to counter Sombra. If anything I think it takes way more talent to play Sombra than Torb/Brig. Its such an easy swap too, but these heroes supposedly have very low pick rates in the DPS/Support roster.