Thank you for clearly taking the time to read my post Gengar. Perhaps your experience is different to mine. Maybe share your thoughts? I’d like to hear them.
As I mentioned in my post, widow is a high skill ceiling character, meaning the higher in the ranks you go, the more value people can get out of her. Arguably, I would say Widow has the highest skill ceiling of all characters, due to the fact she can one shot from long range and has a good kit to support her.
In higher ranks (I play in mid masters), widows are not only good at landing headtaps, but their team is also better at their roles and communicate, meaning their positioning, awarness etc is also good. Yes, widow technically has good counters, but they either are not meta right now, or more often than not, have to to put in way more effort to kill the widow than she does them (because widowmaker can always be in the teamfight due to her range). She also plays very with most heroes/team comps.
But again, I am speaking as a mid master player, and I understand that in lower tiers, she is not that great as said players can’t get much value out of her. Sojourn is also complainied about for very similar reasons to Widow (high skill ceiling, very high value)
Basically I think there’s a point in the skill ceiling where widows are just way too oppressive due to the value she gets from one shotting, and how well she works in high rank teams.
Or have you just gotten lazy with two tanks in a team to forget about using cover in the map and now you’re accusing a sniper gameplay… which just does its job. good? bad? not matter, it’s her job give an headshot = oneshot.
ask about nerfs? okay, ask them. is a right question than can solve it.
you claim that sniper shouldn’t exist in OW? you’re just crying out loud for a normal type of fps gameplay.
I gave a detailed accounmt of everything I thought was wrong with widow, did you not read my post? I clearly explained why I thought she was OP, acknowlegded high vs low rank differences, why she is high value etc. And not that I had to, but i commented a suggestions of how I might change her (Change a small portion of her damage to DOT). I only stated “remove widow” to emphasie my point about how Overwatch is a much different game to games like Valorant/CSGO etc. It has MOBA elements, and most characters dont have range or one shot capabilitity like her, hence why she feels like she doesn’t belong.
And now you show me your post using very emotive lanague to complain about others sharing their thoughts on a character…? Is that illegal? I don’t understand why people like you get soo upset at stuff like this. Think logically, not emotionally. Why do you think widow is balanaced? Tell me your experiences, how you counter her.
Whether she belongs or not is another question (some folks just want to play snipers and they deserve to have fun) but with the fast flowing scrappy ‘team deathmatch’ in OW2 she does feel noticably more oppressive at times.
I probably sounded ruder than I intended. but I want it is clear that it was not referring to you specifically … but to the umpteenth topic that states that the sniper is simply wrong for his work. it’s a type of fps, and what you say is absolutely no different from the too many topics that exist these days: “the oneshot must be removed, so also for the sniper.”
seems to be the solution for too many people instead of the simpler request to act on the widowmaker stats. more time to load the shot to the maximum? less agility from the grappling hook? or (no one mentions this) restore her 175 hp which was changed to 200 in OW2? the treatises of why sniping doesn’t work in OW2 objectively ridiculous considering that since 2016 it has been accepted that widowmaker is a sniper and does the job of her. Has 5v5 changed this balance? balance surprises as a game evolves, I suppose.
widowmaker is a sniper and that she can take headshot > oneshot from it … is a right of the concept of her and for ANY type of FPS with sniper. bad aim = bad reward vs good aim = big reward. for me you’re the one who doesn’t care about the simple logic of a simple and concrete concept of what a sniper is in a fps, and which has actually existed since 2016 in a team game like OW. And let’s be even clearer: OW2 is just an OW with less guaranteed tanks. if we have adapted the tanks to act on their own… why not adapt the sniper who was only made buffed of in the transition to OW2 (no one keeps saying it, have you noticed?) instead of crying philosophically about why it is impossible to hypothesize nerfs and directly ask for her removal? come on, get serious, stop to cry avoing the research of a solution with another extreme solution not necessary.
Oh look. Yet another original, and definitely not bandwagon-y, complaint about widowmaker! I can’t wait to see totally original arguments like
As if you guys get to decide that.
As if, because you say that, its automatically true. No flankers can counter her. Nope. And if they do, she wasnt a GOOD widowmaker (You’re using a logical fallacy).
And my favorite
Because bad players means the character has to suffer. Not that the bad players need to get good.
YEEEEP, a totally original post here. Absolutely not, bit for bit, uncritical regurgitation of someone else’s talking points.
I was thinking that a portion of her damage could be converted to a DoT. One possibility is that bodyshot does 130, while crit does 130 dmg + 130 DoT via neurotoxin over 4s. This way there’s at least a chance of surviving through healing or cleanse, though if Widow lands a second shot on you, you’re most likely dead.
As compensation she could get something for her ult, since it’s pretty mundane. Maybe she gets an HS multiplier back and still keeps the DoT. Or maybe she gets a hit streak multiplier that causes her damage to increase with every subsequent hit until she misses or goes too long without a hit. Just a thought.
completely different. Even overwatch 1 by 2020 was a complete different game.
Do you think its just coincidence since ow2 that she is being pointed out more - in fact, 1 shots in general are being called out more. With 1 less barrier potential with the 1 less tank, it just ruins the fun of the game.
All i see is salty people who can"t aim Crying about those that can.
Salty about facts that they designed this game with her in mind. If you can’t handle that go play a different game. Quit crying on the forums like a baby.
No, I dont. I saw people making a concentrated effort to get more “nerf widowmaker” posts made. I don’t think that’s a coincidence at all; its called “bandwagoning”.
If she had to actually full charge her shots to kill, sure, but you literally have 0.63 seconds to react before she has enough charge to murk 200 HP heroes. The less amount of barriers, maps that heavily favor her, and 5 vs 5 having a more pick heavy game environment massively benefitted her.
If she got reworked like this I’d probably play the hell out of it. I love poison themed characters.
Im sorry but i can say what you said about alot of heros hog not fun ot play against moura not fun to play against mei not fun to play with or against can you stop blocking me from getting kills kiriko is not fun to play agains ana and the list goes on but widow realy the hero that is the biggest gamble in the game for the team if your bad your hust useless but if good then your not
I agree with OP. Widow is the classic sniper whose primary weapon was ripped nearly exactly from the TF2 Sniper. Snipers are always extremely deadly and oppressive enemies, but in many other games with snipers there’s an excessive amount of cover, or ways to get around the sniper to try and counter them that this game just doesn’t have.
Another thing in other shooters is the fact that guns have limited ammo that you have to resupply. In Overwatch you only have to reload, not restock, which means Widow never has to leave her perch if she isn’t getting threatened.
Really, without the cover that original Overwatch had in the form of double shields, she’s never going to be balanced in Overwatch 2.
get serious, stop to cry avoing the research of a solution with another extreme solution not necessary.