Widow is not the epitome of skill, far from it

That doesn’t make it or her “the highest skill” hero in game though.

It still has one of the lowest skill floors in game.

Your disagreement method of “Do this arbitrary and completely unrealistic task, otherwise I win and she is crazy high skill!” is completely obnoxious and adds nothing to the discussion.

Surely you realize I could come up with an impossible goal for every character, right?

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skill floor not skill ceiling. Widow is a low skill floor because she only asks you to do 3 things, get on high ground, hit head, and eat cake, see how the arguement sucks

To others there’s a bit of leeway and are not entirely dependent on it for everything.
Widow her value is entirely depedent on it.

Nothing can beat hammer Torb in terms of skill.

That is why no one ever does it unless they are memeing.

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Ok, you’re trolling.

Carry on.

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Tracer is a hypermobile spambot with overrated skill and aim requirements, ngl. Remove her from the game, you would never have had Moira or Brig, and half the issues around OW would have never existed. Same is true for Genji to a lesser degree.

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torb? how is it torb? his projectiles are by far not that hard to aim anymore. it’s on par with echo.

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this arguement also breaks once you realize genji has a slower fire rate then ashe lmao

Did they buff its speed? I seem to aim better with Widow than Torb personally.

Though I never tried to actually snipe with it.

It’s the size of a brick, its easier to hit than hanzo that’s saying something also a high firerate with a higher firerate on overload.

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She lacks the mobility he does, so not in the least. We are saying why Tracer is not the be all and end all of skill.

I am not trolling, I am just saying that skill can be taken in different ways, maybe you struggle to hit headshots, I don’t know, but you can’t just say that because you don’t hit headshots, everyone can’t do it. Tons of projectile dps players and supports would roll if the character they played had as much impact as widow or tracer

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I guess I’m a weirdo then.

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yeah when he got his rework they buffed the speed. it takes some practice but it’s actually not that hard.

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be honest, is vertical mobility harder to hit then horizintal, he still falls in a linear path, she can mess up her hitbox terribly to where you can’t even see her head, its disgusting, move on the other side of your screen, spam hoya

I keep forgetting about new Torb. Use to play the old one a lot.

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Yes, let’s leave out wall-climbing and Dash :slight_smile:

You can think what you want, but the reality is that Tracer and Genji contribute heavily as root problems in the game’s design that led to problematic solutions to counter them. The history on this is clear whether you like the designs or not.

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wall climb is straight, dash also outlines where he went, and is his only horizintal mobility tool. His wall climb doesn’t even work, tracers blink let her climb up ledges she shouldn’t even be able to climb, she has a small hitbox, can manipulate it to where its down right broken, and she gets horizintal mobility with a teleport button

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I mean their is a reason why brig had a one shot combo on tracer and not genji, genji doesn’t care about armor, but tracer does, imo tracer mobility is busted compared to genji, since its instant

Whew turned to a Genji topic.