Support power creep.
o yeah, donât get me wrong, i do believe brig was the right call to make. 100%. Tracer needed to be put in place, as a matter of fact tracer winston and d.va. However that resulted in widow and hanzo becoming so prevalent. In a game that boasts itself on having heroes countering each other no matter how balanced some heroes are there will always be someone stronger and a certain way of playing the game most efficiently.
Be specific. How much healing do you think supports should be capable of? How much should one support heal versus another?
The problem with what youâre saying is the Invisible Numbers thresholdâwhich is a problem in damage calculations since time immemorial. In short, since damage is basically a countdown to death (a permanent, usually irreversible status effect), damage is quantified as âenoughâ or ânot enoughâ. The only job a healer has is to keep damage at the ânot enoughâ level, and any healer that canât accomplish this isnât going to get picked. (See: Ana in the current meta.)
If youâre going to suggest weakening healers from doing what they were designed to do, you have to suggest rebalance numbers which allows every healer to keep damage manageable while at the same time not forcing damage to increase to compensate.
By nerfing dive they buffed Widow and now this is what happened. They need a widow counter that can either solo dive her and kill her before she can get away/triple pocketed on this 3 support meta, or a Widow counter that isnât a dive hero and can take her away from range.
Except Dive didnât counter Widow. She was played with Dive.
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That is because Dive is what was played all the time, but that meta didnât favor her at all, that being the reason there were way less Widowmaker players on Dive meta than what we have right now.
lol, no she isnât, and OWL is on a completely different patch than we are.
This thread having 50+ likes is just proof that no one should take the forums seriously.
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What? Dive totally favored Widow.
The entire point to Dive meta was to erase a target faster than healers could heal them. Thatâs why Discord and Mercy damage boost were the go-to support abilities. Widow, being the ULTIMATE OHK character, was extremely favored in that meta.
Most of the time, the Dive heroes didnât even go after Widow. They would literally leave fighting the Widow up to the other Widow.
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Supports shouldnât heal more than Ana.
She is a fairly balanced hero compared to heroes in other classes, and the only truly high skill cap support.
The meta where OHKills are needed is the one we are right now, where we have 3 supports everywhere and if something doesnât die in one hit, they just donât die ever.
Dive meta was bad for Widow because she could get targeted and would have to reposition all the time. Now she can literally run free.
you just listed the 3 most dominant heroes in OWL.
Yet another example of a hero who got 2 buffs and is now dominating matchmaking at certain levels.
And the worst part is that this meta is awful for Widow even.
Brigitte added another shield, another source of healing, armor to save people from headshots, and she is another hero putting a massive restriction on your positioning.
If anything, she was hurt less than other heroesâŚ
I would personally like a nerf, but I donât feel like there being more Pharah players than there are now
Isnât Spy (arguably one of the classes in TF2 that requires the most gamesense to pull off as well as pretty solid aim) hard countered by Pyro (viewed as the easiest character outside of Medic)?
Have they even tried to counter or does the team with the crappy widow slave themselves to the meta and take a loss anyway?
Widow is absolutely balanced. In past metas she was considered a bad pick, actually. The problem is that sheâs countered by dive, and dive isnât viable anymore thanks to Brigitte. If you switch to dive, the enemy team will get a Brigitte if they donât already have one and youâre boned.
Like it or not, dive is an important part of the game and needs to be viable.
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Brigitte was at her strongest in the OWL Stage 4 and yet she didnât enforce this kind of meta. Hanzo is the reason why we have this kind of meta. Dive Tanks cannot deal with him thanks to the addition of reliability and mobility.
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Again: They donât. Ana heals more than every other support, in terms of pure output.
Itâs not the other supportsâ fault that Ana canât heal through shields and has to physically reload.
As I said, that doesnât jive with the fact that Widow was one of the most played DPS in Dive. Sure, she would âhave to repositionâ, but that didnât counter her.
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Theoretically she heals a lot. In practice she is a high skill cap hero, and other supports outclass her via ease of use.
Ana requires 75% accuracy just to match an AFK Mercy player with a glued down LMB.
Shields are a minor issue compared to the massive gap in skill requirement.
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