Nonsense, of the number of people that choose her at low levels, a small fraction is trying to improve. Most think they are Vasily Zaytsev.
Uh⌠Sombra does a fantastic job in killing widow, or keeping her very busy in the meantime.
isnât widow the definition of âhigh skill, high rewardâ? yâknow⌠the thing people keep complaining about not being a part of new heroes released, or when a hero whoâs easy becomes super dominate?
if any sniper needs to be nerfed, Iâd say itâs hanzo. widow is good long range, but complete garbage in close quarters. hanzo is good at both, which isnât how a sniper should be.
The hook cooldown decrease also made her a lot less of a dive target.
On the maps sheâs favoured she can be more two winston leaps away and thereâs no way heâll be able to approach her without the Widow knowing exactly where she is, on top of having to get on her, you need follow up dive to catch her where sheâs going with the hook + at that time you can also expect a Mercy pocket.
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The comparison of Sniper to Widow is not really a fair one in my eyes.
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Sniper charges at a much slower rate and reloads after one shot. Missed shots are punished more.
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Sniper doesnât have any mobility to speak of. Someone who had closed the distance on you is almost guaranteed the kill.
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Sniper doesnât get a fire-and-forget flanker radar and actually has to take time to check flank routes himself.
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Hitboxes in TF2 donât extend 3 feet outward from their models.
Widow just operates much differently from Sniper. TF2 is actually pretty well-rounded competetively and Sniperâs counters are usable.
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I have always considered her way too survivable if caught. She should be deadly at a distance, and her opponents should be deadly at close range.
She is high aim no positioning or gamesence high reward. She is supposed to be countered by dive but her graple hook alows her to escape any danger. Widow is the only hero that relys 99% on his gun. Not to mention her venom mine which is almost useless. She really could use a rework.
Thatâs why I love her 
Hero design is nice too. Oo la la.
Genji and Tracer can both mess her up pretty hard unless she pulls God tier shots. But hey⌠Canât have dem damn flankers viable outside of GM amirite? 
Then again sheâs not much better off outside of GM⌠Wait a minuteâŚ
You just hate people being better than you, donât you?
her smg is garbage, she honestly canât do much with it. before brigitte if widow got jumped sheâd usually be dead. now brigitte makes it that much harder.
sheâs deadly at a distance and laughable up close. getting jumped on shouldnât just make her a free kill.
I hate that people who can only aim get better results then people with great positioning and gamesence but worse aim.
Tbf, anytime I died to a Widow I blamed my own lack of game sense and positioning. Not theirs. I at least respected the aim skill required to click my head.
There is a wide gap between âfree killâ and âcan escape easilyâ, I am looking for the middle ground. Right now she is nowhere near a âfree killâ, actually the inverse is the case, she can escape too easily with too much survival.
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I do respect aim. But she doesnât take anything else. I canât respect this.
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She kind of does though.
Well, at least did maybe. Dive kept her hella contested. Dva great against Widow for instance.
But alas. We all Rein/Zarya ult combo team killing and such now. Good times for Widow mains. Tbh, about time. They can play comp without getting mass reported! Who thought thatâd ever be the case, right?
Well, not everyone. However:
S76: damage increased from 17 to 19.
Hanzo: Storm arrow replaced Scatter, Storm bow (primary) RoF increased from 1.6 to 1.25.
Reaper: Instant reload added to Wraith From.
Lucio: Damage increased by 25%.
Countering Widow.
Silly joke, dude.
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Yeah Iâll give you that.
S76, Reaper, Lucio, basically all meaningless picks rn.
Hanzo reworked into the DPS version of Mercy rework.
So⌠Yeah I stand by what I said.
Barriers actually are interacting in a way. Right now they break stupidly fast though. Rein should be a counter, but he isnât in his current state.
Ana is broken on many fundamental levels that even a grapple-less(sp?) Widow wouldnât have to deal with. E.g. Widow doesnât have to be near the team to heal through barriers.
You assume varied counters have to be less skilled, but regardless there shouldnât be clear cut best heroes for all situations. If the enemy team changes tactics, why should you just be able to dominate without adapting
Wrong. I donât like getting fake âvariety,â when thereâs really only 1 valid option. If you get countered, you should be rewarded for practicing more then 1 hero, not being the best 1 trick ever. Learning only 1 hero is the real crutch.
Widow isnât a problem for me, other then theoretically. My problem is with Hanzoâs ability to shred barriers.
Mercy powercreep != support powercreep
The sens of the Winston? Are you playing at such a low sens that you cannot make a 180? I donât understandâŚ
Why would I say that? I truthfully donât even understand your entire response, tbh.
Problem isnât Widow itâs how her counters are fairing right now. WInstonâs pickrate dropped from top tier levels to sitting just above Orisa, who has always been the lowest pickrate tank ever.
You all claimed Rein needed buffs or changes to make him great again, but with Brigitteâs addition and new Hanzo, Rein has become the Highest picked hero in all tiers, all from other heroes being changed, not him.
Plus how could you play Winston or D.va when new Hanzo just presses E and can counter you with ease?