Widow desperately needs a nerf

So was Widow for the majority of the game, and she wasn’t even buffed recently.

Also Torb’s entire model fits behind his turret.

i think thats proof that widows is solely about skill with no power cap, given she went from troll to meta with 0 rework done on her. needs to have limits placed on it. back when people were complaining about tracer i didnt think it was an issue, because she cant 1 hit. shes just a fly that zooms around you. i dont even like that they nerfed her ult. its an ult, it should take down whoever you attack with it. but widow is the exception here. she has some bad problems built into her. and the problem is finding balance around the problems since they cant be changed.

i think the problem overwall is that the devs seem to want defense to be very strong but they keep weakening offense and then buff defense. when offense is already very weak in comparison.

We need a change that will only nerf the skill when a player has mastered it. If you make a nerf that affects newbies to pros, then the new players will easily be discouraged because it’ll be even harder to master a hero they like.

But spamzo is pretty much like the exact same thing as widow? You get headshot by any arrow you die plus he has unlimited amo

ya, thats why i think a mandatory cooldown before firing in scoped mode is all thats needed. will make everyone playing with her carefully line up a shot before firing or they miss and will have to wait again to shoot. 3 seconds would legit be perfect, then buff everything else she has to compensate. and give her an ult that is actually useful

Why are you trying to punish good players?
Give other heroes a higher skill cap.
That’s THE healthy approach to balance.

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but hanzo is mid range since he doesnt have a scope, so you can easily go up to him and kill him. he also has a much larger hit box and cant get away with a grapple when cornered. i never really undersood why hanzo gets so much hate, i think hes fine now that scattershot is gone

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Sorry after Brig, Blizzard has made it very clear they don’t want the better players to be dominant. Increasing the skill caps would mean the better players win.

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At a 3s cooldown she needs to one shot tanks with a headshot and everybody else with a body shot.

She already has the lowest fire rate in the game…
When she took slightly more time to scope in and slightly more time to charge the shot she was useless.

They added aim to Symmetra. Maybe there is hope.

no, the hitbox for the head is already overly generous. she can use her secondary fire in between

She literally regens ammo off of shields now, if she can’t hit Barnhardt’s shield, we have a problem.

Agreed, one-shot kills are not fun to play against. SniperWatch is miserable.

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it also makes her beam do more damage too. but the beam is useless how they have it so her orb is basically the new primary

WHAT!?
Moira is in the game, and people call her an aim hero…

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It’s common practice and acceptable to ask for nerfs when widows are hitting shots or when you can’t keep up mechanically with a mobile hero.

It is not acceptable to complain about mercy, moira, symettra or brigette. Anti shield bash posters will be called genji/tracer mains and reminded to stay out of range.

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That’s because we all sucked with her. Everybody did.

Now you’ve had two years of practice. You are a lot better with Widowmaker than you were ~130 hours of play time ago. Now you can regularly pull off shots that you were only capable of once every few games when the game released.

She’s not OP. You are.

Her limitless skill ceiling is the problem, so yes we should nerf skill. We should absolutely nerf skill on widow and hanzo and put in artificial skill ceilings to curb you.

What you can do is not good for the game because it’s not possible with every hero. You cannot take McCree and do what you do with Widowmaker. He doesn’t do enough damage quickly enough at a long enough range. His damage can be responded to. You can run away and take cover. You can be healed or bubbled. You can shoot back.

If widow 100% charge flicks your head as you round a corner, you die. You cannot be healed. You cannot take cover. You cannot be bubbled. You cannot shoot back.

Back when the game was new and you saw a lot more bodyshots and only the occasional head shot, it was fine. Now, double-kills are closer to the norm with certain well-known widow mains routinely doling out double or even triple kills and just repeatedly shutting down any chance the opposing team has at winning a teamfight without a similarly skilled widowmaker of their own.

Nerf skill. Limit widow to no more than 2 OSKs in a row, increase the value of her body shots, make her SMG suck less, and improve her mines.

I’m not sure what to do about Hanzo but he needs something similar.

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That’s an unexpectedly nice compliment.

The rest of your comment is utter nonsense though.
The only way this game will be kept alive if improving at the game is rewarded.

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Problem with thst argument is that pros have demonstrated how easy Brig is to counter. Git gud is a valid argument when there actually is a gud to git to.

Exact opposite for Widow. At the highest level, the only consistent counter is another Widow.

There is, currently, no level of gud you can git that counters Widow consistently.

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So many more ways to “nerf” Widow, while keeping her map-long OHKO sniping:

  • As you said, increasing cooldown in Grappling Hook is an obvious one, but she got it reduced not too long ago because the devs wanted her to use it more. But it’s an option, nonetheless.
  • You can reduce her HP, making her an easier target to dive into, thus creating a certain distance where she stops being dominant, and start worrying about her life.
  • You can increase the time it takes for her scope to reach full charge. Maybe let it “charge faster” right after using her grapple, to keep current jumpshots, because they are cool.
  • You can reduce her scoped sights, so if she is scoped, she pretty much can only see the person she is aiming at.
  • You can make her rifle show the “laser aim” when she is scoped. Not the full path like when she shoots, but a red dot where she is looking at.
  • You can reduce her clip size (or effective clip size, making scoped shots consume more ammo), making her more reliant in landing the kills instead of making a good bodyshot and spamming low-charge shots.
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