Why was PBSR removed for Diamond and above?

No, you might have the basics down but you lack a core understanding of what needs to be done when and why or you would simply not being down in silver. Unless your mechanics are just so completely terrible you can’t move and aim at the same time or something.

You have won 72 out of 139 games. So that’s barely over 51% and a player needs to be up and over 55% or higher to move up in rank. Sub 50% to 53% or so only moves them around a little bit from their starting point.

so much like others who dislike P-SR, it’s still pretty much having ZERO impact on you not being able to rank up in the game. As you need play more games and win at a higher rate. Don’t get me wrong, I get why P-SR is unpopular but it’s not impacting people in ways most seem to think.

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that’s not the reason I want it removed. I want it removed to be sure that all my teammates are focusing on the objective. If they don’t focus on the objective they will drop in SR and not be teamed up with me.

I have ties in there, so my win rate is 54.55%

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The game already requires players to win games to rank up. Doubling down on that isn’t going to all of sudden make poor team players better team players. P-SR can only help a better player looking to get out of sub 3k SR range.

Being the harsh truth is a player has to win games AND be able to perform at a certain stat level to play at +1 tier higher anyways. You don’t tend to see diamond (when P-SR falls off) littered with players who have 58% win rates on their main, but bottom 30% in stats. Just like you don’t find top level stats, but a 30% win rate in diamond either, at least not on their main hero picks.

and your winrate is sitting at .517 of all games played. It doesn’t mater there are ties, ties might as well be seen as a pity loss. As in you did not win but get a participation ribbon of not getting a huge -SR hit, it doesn’t help a person rank up.

You were sent into battle 137 times and out of those 137 times you were only able to come back with a win 51%. That’s why you’re not ranking up. I mean would a person climb with a 100% win rate with a 2w/0L-100 ties? I mean I guess yes, but not very quickly.

play 250 games, win 140 of them and P-SR will be a zero factor. Oh and again, I totally understand why this issue keeps popping up on the forums. The P-SR feels lame for players, really lame. It’s just not what is holding people back.

I’ll take what I can get. Get rid of PBSR

It’s basically because they don’t really care about players under diamond. Most popular streamers and content creators tend to be diamond or above, unless of course they are one of the few streamers who deliberately play in bronze to cause misery for those playing against them (and never get punished). Even though there are some players in mid-high platinum who know how to be a team player and such, they are still effectively being punished for any consequence of being matched up with one or more random teammates who could do anything.

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See also How Competitive Skill Rating Works (Season 12) → Performance Modifier and references for more background and context.

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I don’t buy that they are being nefarious. I believe PBSR does have positive effects, and negative effects as well. But they need to tell us how it works, if they can’t, then they have to get rid of it

They’ve already explained it. It takes your stats and compared it to people at your SR on the same map.

It does, however, incentivise actually working like a team, though. There are too many players gaming the system to rank up, and when they hit Diamond, they dip again because their muscle memories and mentalities have been stuck in a PBSR mindset. It has long been punishing players who are true team players.

This is why All-Star teams (I.E. the Lakers when Shaq was there and they just, for some reason, had to sign Malone and the list goes on). Your objective should’ve always been to win, and that should be the motivator of your performance… not how your performance should just be high to cushion the load of your loss.

It is holding players back. How? OP’s not the only player in the game, the game’s structure is too team-focused that it might as well be hand-holding instead of coordination. What more when you have teammates who’re just there to perform well statistically despite that they’re the reason you guys are losing?

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no no no, I mean the actually formula, not just a vague idea, it needs to be 100% transparent

No, it really doesn’t. You just want to say it’s rigged or that it’s a bad system just because they won’t show the programming (I wouldn’t either, especially with so much competition)

no I’m not saying it rigged, actually I’m assuming it works quite well, however, in games three parties need to be aware of the rules, the judges, team a and team b

it’s poor form not to tell the contestants exactly how scoring is calculated.

You do know the scoring, you capture a point/escort a payload and you get a point. Bad analogy. Think about it like a draft for a team. They watch you, and the better you do compared to your peers the more likely you are to get picked (the more SR you gain). The worse you do against your peers the less likely you are to get picked (you less SR you gain). The coaches never have to tell you how they picked you, or what they saw. Just that they believed you did better so you got picked.

correct your analogy goes along with team formation and it’s a good one, however, making the contestants fully aware of the scoring system trumps all other things.

if they made the PBSR formula public knowledge, would team formation not work the same? youre just arguing hiding for hiding’s sake.
And if you say it can be exploited if made public, it must be reengineered so it can’t be exploited.

You must make contestants aware of the rules, you’ll never change my mind.

Just making the statement “triumphs all else”, doesn’t make it so. I’m saying from a business standpoint it should be hidden, because you don’t want others stealing your formula. You’re asking a restaurant for their recipie

I’m not arguing from a business standpoint, I’m arguing from a competitive standpoint.

There are reasons from a business standpoint to not do so, they don’t get thrown away just because there are other reasons to. Only a very, very small handful actually ask for it to be seen. It’d benefit you in no way other than “because I want to”

the purpose of this post is not to benefit me personally. The purpose of this post is to show blizz that having secret scoring is in poor form.

You’ve only claimed it to be, you have not backed it up

I’d like you to name another game on planet earth where full disclosure of the rules is absent.

I’ll answer my own question, the Olympic sports that have judges, gymnastics, diving, ski jumping. Guide lines exist for scoring, but in the end it comes down to the judges. gymnastics and scoring is stupid imo, foot races and a stopwatch are awesome imo.

This is all I’m saying, a lot of people like diving, I’m assuming the people who like to watch diving competitions don’t care too much on the subject of game theory.

Conclusion: The closest real life sport to Overwatch is synchronized swimming.