It’s pretty telling that a thread where the Anti-D.Va’s can’t have the “D.Va is OP because pickrates” cake and eat the “Zen’s pickrates mean nothing and he’s completely innocent (because saying otherwise would be bad PR)” cake too has seen little-to-zero attempt at response or counter-argument.
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There’s a general silent consensus among pros and high ranked players that Zen indeed is soft-broken. But Blizz refuses to adjust him for whatever reason.
In fact, Zen and D.Va were only dive heroes that were visibly overperforming.
D.Va wasn’t even overperforming in Dive. She was there, but she didn’t do too much, and her single-team winrate being lower than her overall winrate (already negtive) destroyed her status of “necessary to win.”
Zen had a positive winrate and a high STWR (around 62% in Dive, IIRC). He still retains a 55% STWR and a positive WR now.
The other overperforming hero of Dive was Tracer, but she got hit hard by Brig’s release.
Because it is their only vestige of a counterargument.
Never mind that whataboutism is a shaky foundation at best to begin with.
I’m also watching the same people choosing to vague about people who say “ok, Zen is OP and that doesn’t change anything about D.Va” instead of actually addressing it.
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D.Va’s STWR was far higher than Tracer’s, who had one of the lowest in the game at that point. If you are going to use that metric to determine that D.Va never overperformed, it makes zero sense to say that Tracer was overperforming, when by that metric she was one of the worst heroes in the game.
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Shhhhh! There’s no room for rationality amongst DVA mains.
Tracer was overperforming in K/D ratio, beating every other hero in that regard, even D.Va who’s built to have an inflated one.
She didn’t win games by herself, that’s true, as Overwatch isn’t just about killing.
D.Va wasn’t even overperforming in Dive. She was there, but she didn’t do too much
Yes, she was. Her pickrate was 91%. She was a must pick in that and in every other meta during Season 1 of OWL. Just the fact that she was more picked than a hero who was literally broken (Mercy post rework) is telling enough.
and her single-team winrate being lower than her overall winrate (already negtive) destroyed her status of “necessary to win.”
That’s factually wrong. Her STWR for whole OWL Season 1 is 50.23% which is positive since her STLR is 47.75%. But it’s a meaningless statistic since she’s played 93% of the time on both teams and the single team time is essentially so low that the corresponding sample is simply too low.
Zen had a positive winrate and a high STWR (around 62% in Dive, IIRC). He still retains a 55% STWR and a positive WR now.
And I’m saying that Zen is busted.
The other overperforming hero of Dive was Tracer, but she got hit hard by Brig’s release.
Actually, no. Even before Brig, her pickrate wasn’t anywhere near D.Va or Zen and it was heavily meta dependent + her STWR was negative even tho she had a decent amount of single team %. More specifically, Tracer had a STWR of 48.22% and a STLR of 48.29% making her a net loss of 0.07%. She was played on a single team 20% of the time she was picked.
D.Va was played on a single team 5.7% of the time and her STWR was 49,55 and her STLR was 49,25 making her a net positive of 0,3%
So, yeah. Your data is wrong and your narrative is extremely biased.
Winston’s Lab only tracks final blows when it tracks elims (the numerator in K/D calculations), which Tracer is meant to excel at, especially when compared to a hero whose damage is as unfocused as D.Va’s is.
You might as well say Mercy was UP in Moth meta because she didn’t get a lot of final blows. Obviously a DPS that specializes in cleanup is going to look better than an off tank if you are using the cleanup stat to judge viability.
STWR and STLR are at the very least unbiased as far as success and impact goes. In which case, D.Va is objectively better than Tracer.
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Even with that, it’s comparable to what other DPS heroes have. Even pre-brig, she isn’t the highest K/D char and if you look at K or D separately it becomes even more pronounced. They’re literally spewing fake data and writing the same things over & over on every D.Va thread while cherry picking data or straight out lying
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I am aware, this isn’t my first interaction with them.
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No she wasn’t. Her winrate was at a measle 48%. That’s not the sign of a “must pick.” And you’re literally pointing the pickrate of the ONLY mobile off-tank in DIVE.
Mercy was picked more right after her rework btw (95% vs 88%).
I stand corrected though that STLR looks weird. But that’s not a significant sign of her being necessary especially combined to her negative overall winrate (48.42%). Mercy for example had a 55.41% STWR.
It’s 30 hours, which is what ? 30 matches or so ? Around 120 maps. It’s a big enough sample.
Otherwise, it would be like saying pro stats are irrelevant compared to ladder stats simply because of sample sizes.
Because some map-situational DPS like Pharah, Widow or Junkrat were picked. She was still the most picked DPS by a 50% margin.
And THAT’S making her a must pick ?
As a fist-man says often: “You must be joking.”
How’s that measle 0.3% comparable to the real must pick: Mercy ? Or even Zen ?
I can return that compliment.
I doubt it but OK.
And objectively balanced.
Then I am going to question why you, unquestionably, looked at WL reporting that Tracers were getting 8 elims/10 minutes and saying “yeah, I have no problem with this”, when you would expect to see 4x that number.
WL conflating kills and final blows for statistical purposes is common knowledge when it comes to WL, since data is entered manually and the only reliable way to make sure that people aren’t getting credited for kills they didn’t contribute to is to use the killfeed. You not knowing this makes all of your claims dubious tbh.
So Tracer was UP then? Funny we got Brig instead of a Tracer buff, then.
Meanwhile, D.Va’s competition has some of the lowest STWR stats in the game…
We got Brig because Blizzard didn’t want the bad PR of touching the Dive Characters they hadn’t tried nerfing/reworking yet.
(I’ve always thought the threat/dominance of Tracer was always somewhat overblown myself.)
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Uhhh, no ? The killfeed only shows final blows. A D.Va can get a final blow by only hitting a pellet.
You have to take into account the damage dealt, and that’s primarily shown by the fire indicator on elims.
If anything that makes their kills stats unreliable.
She was the best non-niche DPS. Keep in mind though that D.Va kept her in check with her peeling ability (DM CD being the same as Tracer’s reload).
But fine, there’s no sign of Tracer’s dominance.
Roadhog was trash and still is. Zarya can’t deal with Tracer/Winston, and this was solved by Brig. Now she has the best STWR of the off-tanks.
Zen hasn’t been meta constantly since the release of the game
Neither has D.Va. When did you even start playing?
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Season 1 
She’s been far more meta for far longer than Zenyatta has.
She was actual F tier in season 1 The hell are you on about.
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As was Zenyatta.
Zenyatta was the first throw pick don’tyaknow?