Why the "Rainbow" icon is problematic and disappointing

[ƕlĸ-2818]

@PainWarriorX-1280

Sorry you don’t speak for everyone else.

Nor do you or OP?

@PainWarriorX-1280

Some people wanted it to be more specific and that’s their prerogative.

there is no need for it to be more specific. the terms are used interchangeably

@PainWarriorX-1280

There’s literally zero reason for jumping on them.

The reason is this new outrage culture over supposed “lack of representation” when overwatch was never supposed to be about that in the first place

@Cameron-22892

Quietly adding a “Rainbow” icon is not good representation. Blizzard refusing to even call it “Pride” is a silent nod to the LGBT+ community without risking liability by pissing off the homophobes.

[ƕlĸ-2818]

@PainWarriorX-1280

Overwatch was meant to be diverse in the way most people use the word diverse when talking about media

it was literally not meant to be. as in that was not the primary goal. and certainly in my opinion should not be the primary goal. goal should be interesting and unique characters rather than filling a diversity quota.

I think it’s really interesting that people think that diversity was the goal of the Overwatch team when it was not.

What we cared about was creating a game and a game universe and a world where everybody felt welcome.

Really what the goal was, was inclusivity and open-mindedness.

We wanted there to be this feeling - and I’ve talked to a lot of people about this and I think they’ve agreed with it - that you might be from somewhere that we haven’t represented yet in Overwatch but you could imagine there being an Overwatch hero or an Overwatch map from your area.

It seems totally plausible.

It seems like at any time I could be represented in the game.

It’s the sort of open mindedness and inclusivity that were the goal of Overwatch.

I think diversity is a beautiful end result that you get when you embrace inclusivity and open-mindedness.

"Overwatch: How Blizzard Created a Hopeful Vision of the Future" - Jeff Kaplan

That’s Jeff Kaplan at 23:52

[Futaba-11214]

This post is a troll , the fact op is so against straight jokes is hilarious ive gotten posts flagged over jokes seriously get some humour. Btw they didn’t have to add a flag at all really its a business they truthfuly don’t have to care but they did be happy. But i forget this is ow.

[Triton-22473]

@Shad-1132

it is a flippin’ rainbow.

The pride rainbow is different to a regular rainbow. Originally the pride flag had 8 stripes and currently it has 6 (with some alternatives like the progress pride flag which still features the base 6 stripes), while regular rainbows have 7 stripes of colour.

The rainbow icon in-game only has 6 stripes, so no it’s not just a regular rainbow it’s the pride flag.

[ƕlĸ-2818]

i understand the quote perfectly and it is you trying to take meaning which is not there.

[ƕlĸ-2818]

not really possible to gang up on me when there was one person there who disagreed lol

@PainWarriorX-1280

I’m really going to have to go point by point on his speech aren’t I?

i would actually like you to do that and also examine the follow up part about LGBT. very interesting and very illuminating

this is the part i find very interesting:

“Reflections” happened to reveal that Tracer had a girlfriend at home, not a boyfriend like some people expected. This is all part of what we on the overwatch team just think of as, normal things are normal, and it’s important to show normal things as normal so they become more normal.

A lot of people had expected other characters to maybe be representative of the LGBT community and maybe it wasn’t tracer. To us what was important about tracer was that she was this badass time-traveling hero first and foremost.

in other words people at that time already expressing dissatisfaction at there not being more representation. Jeff makes very clear that is not their focus

He concludes that segment with this:

@ƕlĸ-2818

In no way do we aspire to be a political game. We have no political motivations whatsoever, but it’s fascinating to see that the values of the overwatch team are now being embraced and owned by the community in their own sort of positive way.

meaning the community should own things in their own way and give it their own meaning. you dont need rainbow flag to be renamed to pride flag, to have it mean that

[Futaba-11214]

Inside im laughing as you guys agure over a game within a year or more will mean nothing you want pride one must have it in themselves why do you need others to acknowledge who or what you are.

[Rebel-21137]

@PainWarriorX-1280

Maybe you should understand the problem before speaking.

Maybe you should make a better argument as for why your problem is actually a problem and not something you’re purely exaggerating to a colossal extent.

@PainWarriorX-1280

The amount people that jump on the LGBT community for little things is insane.

How about you see it from the other end of the spectrum. You are making a big deal out of something so insignificant. Making it seem like Blizzard is basically Hitler for not giving you what you want. “This is a problem”, “that is a problem”. No. None of these things are actual problems and no reasonable or sane person would see them as such.

You’re complaining about the name of an icon. The name of an icon. You’re not being discriminated, you’re not being harassed or excluded or treated differently by Blizzard. Your “problem” is a joke.

[Pleitedieb-217442]

@Futaba-11214

they didn’t have to add a flag at all really its a business they truthfuly don’t have to care but they did be happy.

They don’t have to add more maps/heroes either, yet we ask for them.

[Futaba-11214]

Really that’s your argument bro map"s hero’s are pre planned

[Futaba-11214]

I think your sensitive but i forget Overwatch is full of snowflakes so fragile yet like Chihuahua will bark loud when they feel threatened then kicked like a football and laughed at

[Pleitedieb-217442]

Says the guy who is offended because people ask for a pride icon. LoL.

[PainWarriorX-1280]

I’m not even sensitive. I find these discussions amusing time wasters.

[ƕlĸ-2818]

@PainWarriorX-1280

I said he comes off as an angry homophobe, which he does. The immediate uncalled for aggression is real.

I feel like you started this discussion with reasonable arguments

I don’t understand why you’ve now started with the personal attacks and accusing people who disagree of x-phobe

[Pleitedieb-217442]

But saying that we portray blizzard as the guy who caused WW2 is reasonable?

[PainWarriorX-1280]

Did I accuse you of being homophobic? No. I accused the guy coming in here swinging wildly and comparing critiquing Blizzards LGBT representation as treating Blizzard like Hitler.

[Futaba-11214]

Gay straight i really doon’t care like ive said on multiple occasions we are human we live bleed and love i accept you for what you are if your cool we cool im a straight male have gay friends been to a drag club got asked if i ever been with a woooman it was fun nt bothered by it at all even went raving with guys fun to. I judge no one ain’t my job.

[ƕlĸ-2818]

@PainWarriorX-1280

I accused the guy coming in here swinging wildly and comparing critiquing Blizzards LGBT representation as treating Blizzard like Hitler.

I don’t understand how that is homophobic either. That’s more just exaggeration

[Rebel-21137]

@Pleitedieb-217442

But saying that we portray blizzard as the guy who caused WW2 is reasonable?

If you’re not smart enough to understand what an analogy is then how could you possibly make a sensible argument to defend your opinion?

[Pleitedieb-217442]

Because it’s an analogy that should not be made in that context.