If there was a way to expunge one portion of society, until they can learn to have civil discourse, it would help. Though I am not sure what solution could be devised to do so.
Maybe one day bots capable of understanding context and nuance will take over moderation jobs… it kinda is the only hope towards something standardized and high-quality.
Extremism is popular because it is easy and you do not need to be particularly intelligent to feel included and validated. Albeit, I do not believe thinking for yourself is difficult, per se. It is just that if you are capable of that, you realize that these people just talk at each other and there is no genuine discourse occuring.
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Bigotry is bigotry.
It feels bad, to know some people actually believe all that stuff. Hence why I don’t believe “ah let them say it.” And never will be with it.
A few slips ups can happen, people can be ignorant or inconsiderate. But if it continues they should be banned.
I don’t need your reassurance on staying strong. And I have ways to defend myself against monsters. But hence I don’t tolerate racist language, and never will.
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ah hmm… that reminds me. who is the president of the US? oh yeah thats right
lol
I live in Alaska, that affects me 0.00%.
Again, you in particular have no power.
It doesn’t bother you that this is akin to “murderers” passing judgment against “thieves”?
I don’t understand your analogy, if you could explain exactly what you mean but in the context of our current conversation.
The term “cis” in a majority of its usage is derogatory. Whether the user is aware or not.
I certainly will not be told how to behave, and have my words censored, by the very person who is also using derogatory language.
TIL Alaska aint part of the US 
maybe the extra star is actually Puerto Rico 
ok now the term cis is derogatory… oh boy internet really is “partying like it’s 1984” right?
That word has a meaning, i’m using it because of its meaning. I’m totally aware it’s a stupid word but to decide to judge people over the quality of their words, especially when there are no other words better suited to express what is said, especially because the actual dictionnary meaning is neutral, is just 1984 “novalanguage” tier.
I don’t like being called that either. I may be a minority race wise, but I am also straight and have experienced people using that word in a negative connotation towards me or straight people.
Again, I don’t mind words, my issue is when people start to believe them and maybe do something like try to harm the person over it.
But whoever is “censoring” you isn’t a collective. It doesn’t matter where one aligns, bigotry has no place. If someone was calling you “cis” and then implied you were not human in any way because of that they deserved to be banned too.
The concept is;
“I will call you what you want to be called, therefore you must abide by what I want to be called” right?
Its a two way street. Why must all the agreed upon concessions be made by the group not creating new language?
Its the very antithesis of the discussion. What one person may be offended by, others may not. Those who wish to censor language want the power to do so on things THEY find offensive, but not the other way around. When it becomes an inconvenience to them, in this case creating words that did not need to exist, it is incorrect censorship and should not be tolerated.
I am specifically speaking on the merits of conversation in the forums and shared group chat. Blizzard is a company, and therefore a collective. If Blizzard banned people because of bigoted speech, I can guarantee you there would be forums outcry if someone were banned for using the word “cis”, in any manner
Alright ok, spending way too much time on internet made me forget that the actual word is “straight”. AND EVEN THEN, from having participated in a very wide array of communities it’s really a guessing game whether it’s the term “cis” or the term “straight” that would make me a bigot.
Because I don’t like racism doesn’t mean I’m okay with you being offended or harmed because of who you are.
Stop assuming this, you are painting a broad brush to an entire side, and even assuming I’m okay with this. Where do you think I align politically?
Blizzard is a company, but you are implying that they all seek to just label you and treat you poorly for being straight, and somehow using that to justify racism should thus exist. These are all different people. In general racism in society is frowned upon, and has been for some time, it is 2023. Thus the concept that Blizzard is actively doing the unthinkable or unusual doesn’t quite make sense to me. I see them acting in an appropriate way.
There’s an outcry on the forums right now about not being able to be racist because now people are getting banned. People complain, but if someone was being bigoted toward someone for being straight they should get banned and I would say the same to them what I said here.
I didn’t paint that side that way. They took a selfie and showed the world.
I have no idea. Though there is a clear declination between rational and logical thought that isn’t present in one side of the argument. Whether you exist there or not is within your own scope.
This discussion has been presented time and time again.
I will go with the same issue that shuts the discussion down every time.
Assume Blizzard started banned people for writing “the N word” in chat, or saying it over voice. Now Blizzard will have to contend with racial profiling. You see, people of limited intelligence allowed a single world in the English language to be “owned” by a specific demographic of person.
This reclamation of the said word, and it being an offence that Blizzard takes action on, is a negative feedback loop. Now, Blizzard can enact a zero tolerance policy. Though the damage will have already been done. Either Blizzard will have to look through the identification of every person who has the ethnic priviledge of using a singular word. Or they will suffer the blowback of not allowing those who are ethnically immune from repercussion from saying a word that can neither be owned, nor assimilated by them.
You mean me? Because I used that word?
Oof, ok.
Even if you have absolutely no idea of anything about my background?
Stop, lol you’re not the internet sleuth you think you are. This is like on my top 10 of annoying things over the Internet. Nowadays people will decide on who you are the moment you use a word they don’t like. Because words are the only hints they’ll get… what about not judging people as readily as you are? Whatever happened to open-mindedness?
inb4 u can only use the nword if you’re maining baptiste 
no really this conversation got so heavy and politicized. stupid and sad. Wouldn’t be suprised to wake up tomorrow and see it either deleted or heavily butchered.
Why would you think it otherwise? No one here has been discourteous. But the topic itself shows a side of Blizzard they wish to stay hidden.
No they didn’t. A vocal minority made you believe it’s the world. I get up every day and the majority of the time it is peaceful, no hate, no bigotry.
I respect people and the show respect in return. For you to think again there is a side is an extreme thought. It shows you believe in an “us vs them” mentality which is the problem in the first place.
You come across as “an eye for an eye”, but if the word cis bothers you and not when people treat you badly for being straight then you have to rethink your priorities and redirect.
I have had people of all races, genders, etc, be nasty to me, and those same people be nice to me. That includes as well violence irl. But I keep it moving, I realize humans are humans are a prone to tribalism.
There is no logic in your concept. It boils down to “an eye for an eye.” That’s not logic, that is bitterness. I have been hurt too, but I’m not going around feeling like I should be entitled to be bigoted people over it because “they did it too!”.
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
It is alarming you feel that people have to be of lesser intelligence to allow such a thing. And it’s even more alarming you are so certain on how to fix the world.
Have you looked to history in to why these words become “bad words?” It is simply not because someone did not like it. It is because those words were the wrapping of violence and harm.
Words and thinking align quite a bit. And the more that you speak you are making that clear.
Again I don’t think you understand the “n-word”, you assume that it is only one word. One is EXTREMLY derogatory, no matter who uses it, the other not so much. It depends on the context, and honestly I’m against people being harmed or strung up for slip ups, especially since its in music.
Honestly I don’t personally mind ANYONE using it, as long as they aren’t derogatory with it.
uh yeah, there’s been a lot of tribalism… and on that before being tempted to throw insults around; considering the actors here without being discourteous are starting to be contrarian for the sake of it… because of that sad “left vs right wing” polarizing narrative of which I’m totally sick… I’ll try ignoring the rest of the conversation.
Tracking off.