Why Mercy Isn't Fun To Play | Video

[Absql-1290]

Get Interrupted

[SoLIDSnAKE-12727]

If you dont like jump escaping of your enemeis every 2 seconds and heal. Dont play support class go back HANZO…

[KnOwledge-11714]

What do you expect them to do? Make her pistol do crazy amounts of damage and also still have the ability to provide one of the most consistent and largest amounts of single target healing in the game?

Mercy is a healer. Just that. A healer. That’s her main role. You either like it or you don’t. If you think she is boring, then pick another hero.

You know what WASN’T fun for everyone? Mercy 2.0. People who played her then thought that was the only fun thing in her kit but everyone else didn’t have fun (I was on the verge of quitting the game during that nonsense) then Blizzard picked the best of 2 evils and they nerfed her. Now the game is actually enjoyable for most and luckily, they still made it so she has one of the higher pickrates in the game across all tiers

[BadWidowEU-2419]

I did. it seems you still cant read. you talked about watching the dev update video. I talked about the patch notes, this may be a hard concept for you to understand, but the developer update videos are not the patch notes.

I’m honestly astonished how you still don’t get it… I was literally agreeing with you…

I mean I’m just telling you how you look.

Don’t care my dood.

no because forum goers, much like you, don’t understand the actual root of problems from heros.

I mean it’s pretty subjective tbh. What you may see as the problem won’t be the same for everyone. I get your point nonetheless.

brig was too strong because she made everyone tanks. her bash was really not that big of a deal.

Niceee. I think something else was the problem.

woosh

right over your head the point goes.

whats funny is all this is said after I called you out for being a follower like I said youre doing it because you saw someone else doing it.

I’m participating in a trend. If that means I’m a follower, continue to call me one. I don’t consider it something too deep.

Which is fine, but don’t sit up here and act like its something you’ve done forever, because you haven’t.

It’s not really all that new. Also, why would I be pretending if this is what I said:

I’m going to start doing this. XD

You’re thinking way too much into it.

~ Sincerely,
Someone who hates to play current Mercy
HamzzzXO

[sprite-12678]

It’s 2018, can we stop with cringe culture?

What are you hearing? That literally sounds like a boy…

Nah, just a woman with a deeper voice to me.

[Titanium-1686]

@GreyFalcon-11737

It’s faster, and 15m > 5m.

It is not faster. It is slower unless the Mercy pops off a multikill.

With uninterrupted healing, it will still take Mercy 31 seconds to charge Resurrect to full from zero. That’s a 1 second cooldown increase in the optimal healing conditions.

And let’s face it, no Mercy gets 31 seconds of uninterrupted healing.

@GreyFalcon-11737

If it’s not less than 6 per game on average, it’s not a big difference.

If it is 6-6.5 Resurrects/game, that is still a huge difference in power from the current Resurrect. Why, you might ask?

@Titanium-1686

Resurrect is currently the reason Mercy is overpowered.

How so, you might ask, citing Mercy’s Resurrect statistics from before her rework and now, which are very close in numerical value?

Ignoring the process of elimination that would lead us to Resurrect in the first place, the difference lies within how Resurrect is used.

First is the availability of Resurrect now versus Mercy’s 1.x versions. Today, Resurrect runs on a consistent 30 second cooldown regardless as to the Mercy player’s performance. Killing a Mercy repeatedly does not impede upon their ability to return and use Resurrect; the only thing Mercy needs to have Resurrect available is time, and nothing in the game can deprive her of that. Mercy 1.x, on the other hand, needed to fill a resource meter in order to use Resurrect. Sure, that resource charged passively over time, but at an incredibly slow rate proportional to the requirement. If the player were to just wait for that resource to fill passively, they would be waiting 5 minutes and 25 seconds, which could be half the match by itself.

Anyway, because Mercy needed to fill a resource in order to use Resurrect on an acceptable basis, it was far easier to impede its availability by targeting or eliminating the Mercy. The time respawning and walking back to the fight would otherwise be time spent healing, shooting, or amplifying damage, depriving her of ultimate charge and therefore a use of resurrect.

Second is the optimal usage for the ability. Given Resurrect’s current availability and single-target mechanics, its optimal usage is obvious; it is best used to reverse the first pick in a fight, operating as a 1-up for an ally in every poke-at-choke scenario. This one-up functions as a buffer that disincentivizes an enemy engagement after the enemy gets a pick and therefore a numbers advantage, resulting in a continuation of the poke battle and a second chance for Mercy’s team to get the pick instead. As a result, Resurrect now stops the snowball before it begins, making it much more reliable when it comes to post-rez success. Preventing a snowball is much easier than trying to reverse a snowball after it has already gained velocity.

Mass-Resurrect, on the other hand, had variation in its optimal time of usage due to its inconsistent availability and its variation in numerical value. If it were to be used as a tempo-rez every time, it would simply be outmatched by the post-rework Resurrect because it cannot compete with 2.x’s cooldown rate. Thus, in order to maintain a good numerical value, a balance between tempo and mass-revives needed to be held. Finding that balance and by extension the optimal time and placement for Resurrect was difficult, making the ability harder to use overall.

As mentioned before, however, it is more difficult to reverse a snowball after it has gained velocity. Thus, Mercy 1.x’s Resurrect was far less reliable in post-rez success than Mercy’s 2.x’s Resurrect.

Resurrect is also used much earlier in the fight than it was before, reducing the window to prevent it from what used to be anywhere between the first pick and after the fifth kill to just the first pick. There is a smaller window to stop it.

As though the above advantages weren’t enough to push Resurrect over the edge, Resurrect also no longer occupies one of the team’s six ultimates. An ultimate is not lost upon its expense.

To recap:

• Availability is consistent and unaffected by performance. It is easier to have resurrect ready to be used now than it was with 1.x.
• Optimal usage is predefined, making it much easier to use Resurrect to its maximum capacity now than with 1.x.
• Now prevents snowballs before they begin, which is much easier than stopping them after they are already in motion. Much more likely to end in success.
• Is now more difficult to prevent through preliminary action, as it is used much earlier now.
• No longer takes up an ultimate slot.

While the number of revived players every match may be nearly identical, the mechanics of the newer Resurrect makes it far more powerful in application.

[GreyFalcon-11737]

If the 30 seconds thing was so critical, wouldn’t you expect the average rez per game to be closer to 15-20 per game?

[Titanium-1686]

If the 30 seconds thing was so critical, wouldn’t you expect the average rez per game to be closer to 15-20 per game?

Did you… read it?

[GreyFalcon-11737]

If anything, the fact that it’s not affected by performance is a selling point to me.

Take a look at some of the best Mercy mains in the world. How many resurrects per game are they pulling off? About 6-8.
https://www.overbuff.com/heroes/mercy/rankings

Means you have an ability that’s equally worthwhile at low ranks and high ranks. Rather than being underpowered on one, and overpowered in the other.

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Furthermore, by having Rez frequently available, but difficult to perform, it gives Mercy players something to do besides Left Click 99% of the game, and spend 1% of the game pressing Q.

Which was rather poor interactivity.

[Titanium-1686]

@GreyFalcon-11737

If anything, the fact that it’s not affected by performance is a selling point to me.

Take a look at some of the best Mercy mains in the world.

How many resurrects per game are they pulling off? About 6-8.
https://www.overbuff.com/heroes/mercy/rankings

Means you have an ability that’s equally worthwhile at low ranks and high ranks. Rather than being underpowered on one, and overpowered in the other.

The fact that it isn’t affected by performance is more concerning than it being affected by performance.

The higher a player climbs, the better everyone gets at dealing damage. Everything happens faster. And then there’s Resurrect.

For reference, 9-9.5 was my personal average prior to the rework. That was top 5% of Mercy players in that category, and yet, Mercy was still “suboptimal” in high tiers.

@GreyFalcon-11737

Furthermore, by having Rez frequently available,

That’s funny.

@GreyFalcon-11737

but difficult to perform,

That is also funny.

@GreyFalcon-11737

it gives Mercy players something to do besides Left Click 99% of the game, and spend 1% of the game pressing Q.

Which was rather poor interactivity.

Having an impactful ultimate with a lot of tension leading up to it combined with a mechanically simplistic kit is a hell of a lot more interactive and engaging than that same simplistic kit but weaker, plus a 2-second rock simulator or E and a spectator camera as an ultimate.

[GreyFalcon-11737]

@Titanium-1686

@GreyFalcon-11737

If anything, the fact that it’s not affected by performance is a selling point to me.

Take a look at some of the best Mercy mains in the world.

How many resurrects per game are they pulling off? About 6-8.
https://www.overbuff.com/heroes/mercy/rankings

Means you have an ability that’s equally worthwhile at low ranks and high ranks. Rather than being underpowered on one, and overpowered in the other.

The fact that it isn’t affected by performance is more concerning than it being affected by performance.

The higher a player climbs, the better everyone gets at dealing damage. Everything happens faster. And then there’s Resurrect.

For reference, 9-9.5 was my personal average prior to the rework. That was top 5% of Mercy players in that category, and yet, Mercy was still “suboptimal” in high tiers.

@GreyFalcon-11737

Furthermore, by having Rez frequently available,

That’s funny.

@GreyFalcon-11737

but difficult to perform,

That is also funny.

@GreyFalcon-11737

it gives Mercy players something to do besides Left Click 99% of the game, and spend 1% of the game pressing Q.

Which was rather poor interactivity.

Having an impactful ultimate with a lot of tension leading up to it combined with a mechanically simplistic kit is a hell of a lot more interactive and engaging than that same simplistic kit but weaker, plus a 2-second rock simulator or E and a spectator camera as an ultimate.

Then why don’t you focus on making Valkyrie more interactive?

For instance, if you could switch to second stage “expert mode” only once during Valkyrie. What would that look like?

Clearly the devs aren’t interested in making Rez more powerful.

[Dva-21640]

Then why don’t you focus on making Valkyrie more interactive?

Valkyrie is flawed in its design and shouldn’t be an ultimate, that’s why nobody gives a crap about making it more appeasing. It’s not something anybody cares about because it’s bland and unengaging, why rework an ability that you don’t care about as opposed to just replacing it with something else, not neccesarily Resurrection?

[GreyFalcon-11737]

Then why don’t you focus on making Valkyrie more interactive?

Valkyrie is flawed in its design and shouldn’t be an ultimate, that’s why nobody gives a crap about making it more appeasing. It’s not something anybody cares about because it’s bland and unengaging, why rework an ability that you don’t care about as opposed to just replacing it with something else, not neccesarily Resurrection?

Because the devs probably feel like they’ve spent too much time balancing Mercy already, and statistically she’s really balanced.

So probably the best you are going to get out of them is relatively small change.

[Sprinkles298-1977]

Valkyrie is flawed in its design and shouldn’t be an ultimate, that’s why nobody gives a crap about making it more appeasing.

Nobody isn’t correct.

Lots of Mercy players on the forums think it’s healthier than Mass Rez ever was.

[Dva-21640]

You’re giving the developers a pass because they can’t make a hero fun without breaking their knees? There’s an old kit waiting in storage if they want, or they could do something as simple as reducing its duration and increasing its healing.

They don’t want to change her because they’re ignoring player feedback, not because it’s a big ask to change some numbers.

[Dva-21640]

Give me a survey, since you constantly mention how the forums are in the minority.

[Sprinkles298-1977]

Well, look at r/overwatch and any other subreddit.

r/overwatch has 1.4 million users. Do you see that many people commenting on the forums? Let alone anything close to the 40 million number the devs boasted about a few months ago?

Edit: Even Titanium’s thread (the #1 post of all time now), still hasn’t hit 20k views.

[Dva-21640]

No, but you just said that your anecdotal viewing experiences has some sort of relevance to an actual statistical value. I never claimed lots of Mercy players think Mass Rez is healthier than Valkyrie, I was asserting my own opinion in a different format.

[GreyFalcon-11737]

@Dva-21640

You’re giving the developers a pass because they can’t make a hero fun without breaking their knees? There’s an old kit waiting in storage if they want, or they could do something as simple as reducing its duration and increasing its healing.

They don’t want to change her because they’re ignoring player feedback, not because it’s a big ask to change some numbers.

Sometimes it’s good to ignore player feedback.

Remember when people were saying Mercy was broken in February 2018? And that she needed a buff right away?

It was good that those people were ignored.

[Sprinkles298-1977]

No, but you just said that your anecdotal viewing experiences has some sort of relevance to an actual statistical value.

Yet you have no evidence to disprove my claims. They’re nothing more than that. They’re claims. Yet, my numbers prove true. It’s reasonable to assume that viewcount = players that have seen it. If a player has clicked on it at all, they count as viewing it. Considering this, and the fact the #1 upvoted post of all time on the forums still is under 20k views, it’s a very good assumption that the forums are <30k players, which, for you mathematicians out there, is significantly less than 1.4 million.