Stop making me into a strawman. I never said to balance around 2400 SR. I simply said most of the playerbase never really experience Orisa because Rectangle Man is easier to play around.
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Actually that might be true but thatās just a skill issue isnāt it? I donāt see why it matters what lowallo faces when they simply can make any hero work (even bastion) in that elo.
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Youāre coping so hard if you believe this.
5v5 is gonna make Sigma and Orisa even better.
Zarya, Hog, D.Va are all gonna be absolutely awful in 5v5 especially Zarya.
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I think dva and hog will be the worst ones and not zarya since sheās getting like 4 bubbles.
But yeah I can agree that sigma will probably be hard meta with ow2.
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Youāre driving tank players away by forcing them to play Orisa/Sigma. Iād rather go play mei, mccree or reaper because they give me a more tank like experience (actually being threatening in close quarters) than actual tank.
DPS players are just not gonna start playing tank ever no matter how much you appeal to them. All youāre doing is losing tank players.
Double shield is absolutely becoming meta again btw lmfao. Itās already happeningā¦
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Because we donāt wanna break orisas legs again
Then all tanks should have range or be compensated for lack of range.
One or two tanks should not gatekeep all of the other tank heroes.
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I donāt disagree with the sentiment.
Having 1 tank instead of 2 requires them to get in engagement ranges on their own, so they have engagement tools to help that. Part of the reason tank isnāt fun to play for much of the playerbase is the amount of team reliance they have in order to get within range of enemies and keep themselves alive.
And goats has proven that just because it requires team reliance doesnāt mean itās fun.
Range reduces the amount of team reliance a tank needs in order to engage in a fight and get ult charge.
For the vast majority of us, weāre far more likely to hear āRein or loseā. I donāt think Iāve been asked to go Orisa sinceā¦uhā¦well, maybe I was asked in 2019. Itās only up in GM that Orisaās in demand, for >90% of us, weāre asked to swap to the hammer guy. And yet, we still have a shortage of tanks down here, meaning that itās not ranged tanks thatās causing that particular problem.
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No one talks about Orisa because itās 100% caused by Sigma. Heās the problematic hero. This meta never existed before his entrance, and it keeps coming back because of him.
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Even then, bunker comp with Hogrisa is much bearable because there are options to deal with that.
I kind of wish Sigma got the April fool patch where they straight up remove his shield but make him into a flying artillery tank.
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Double shield is not hard meta, though?
Ok, Iāll have to admit youāre right on this one.
Sigma is definitely the main problem. With him specifically nerfed, Orisa can even enjoy some buffs.
Youāre right tbh. Sigma needs to be nerfed and all the other tanks need buffs. Tank players will probably double if this happens.
Honestly Iād argue itās not just power tiers. Mid to highish would be too.
Thereās just no decent synergy between tanks outside of rein zar anymore. For any other tank duo itās just an uphill constant battle against those two. Itās just too easy to play them well.
I honestly donāt really want to see further tank nerfs, but Iām honestly kinda over reins reign. He has some of the highest survivability out of the main tanks, his shield capacity is insane compared to the rest. His hammer damage is oppressive after the buff, and playing into it with a lucio is just awful.
Dive is the only thing I say would work, but thatās more a result of trying to get around Rein/Zarya than actually contesting them. Rein cantā defend his team against a Winston at all. Nor can Zarya gain charge on Winston damage. Similarly Hammond is not really stopped by Rein or Zarya much. Zarya can try to block pile drivers. Rein is certainly not doing much.
Though for Rein to still not do much the rest of your team still needs to be dive oriented which is the issue. Rein can still get value against a partial dive team by just focusing the non-dive team. Say he just hold shield in front of a widowmaker/ana. Heās cutting off 2 units by himself and they wonāt do squat to stop him.
Poke is meta right now. Orisa is poke.
Why is everyone blaming Orisa again when itās always sigmas fault
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Well, the truth doesnāt always come into it. Letās be real, itās more convenient to blame Orisa because as far as I can tell, people seem to enjoy playing as Sigma a lot more. Iāve always heard it be called āOrisa jailā, but Iāve never heard anyone saying that Sigmaās boring to play as - just that heās overpowered or badly designed or whatnot.
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No. Give me more range. I want double firestrikes and faster projectile speed for Orisa. While youāre at it, revert the Hammond falloff nerfs and tighten D.Vaās spread.
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