Why is jeff blaming the community for the introduction of brigitte?

If people suddenly all asked for half the roster to be deleted from the game, and Jeff and co. obliged… in the ensuing madness and chaos, Jeff comes out and says “you gotta be careful what you wish for.”

Would that make any sense?

No. Of course not.

The developers are the professionals. They are the keepers of their own game.

They have to be mindful of the community’s wishes, yet they are the the ones ultimatel making the final decisions.

Every gaming community will always be overflowing with tons of ideas. Some outright good, some outright bad. Many others somewhere in between and highly dependent on implementation.

To blame the community for asking something, which the developers put into the game and turned out disastrous is asinine at best and conscious blame-shifting at worse.

YOU are the developers, any praise and blame when it comes to the game rests on YOU and you alone.

Here’s your facts, pulled directly from Winston’s Lab.

2018 Stage 1 pick rates

D.Va 89%
Winston 77%
Zenyatta 82%
Tracer 67%
Genji 27%

2018 Stage 2 pick rates

D.Va 96%
Winston 86%
Zenyatta 82%
Tracer 79%
Genji 29%

2018 Stage 3 pick rates

D.Va 96%
Winston 80%
Zenyatta 83%
Tracer 77%
Genji 21%

All of this was during dive meta.

That insult would be a little more effective if “You” were spelled correctly.

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Blizzard is responsible for every single change they made to the game, nobody else. If something is bad it is all Blizzard’s fault. If something is good, it is all because of Blizzard.

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AGAIN not narrowing this down to when it was used in dive! You don’t have the information to make these claims! This is just more “THIS CHARACTER WAS POPULAR!”

There is no arguing with this guy.
Genji and Tracer so balanced!

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Precisely.

They basked in universal praise during the heyday of this game.

They don’t get to blame the community for the bad decisions they make now.

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No it is not.

Dive was the most prevalent meta during these overwatch stages.

This is the statistic during those stages.

Said character was the highest picked in the dive meta.

How the hell else do you expect me to prove it without using statistics FROM SAID DIVE META?

Yeah but nobody asked for an overpowered mess that would cause such a problem that we’re still seeing fallout from it.

The Devs themselves should know Brigitte was a problem when she needed nerfed like 80 times.

Did we ask for Brig? Maybe. But the execution is on their end and they failed.

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EXACTLY!!! People even asked for a hero that can encounter flankers and dive (remember that even dive was a bit of a issue for supports even for mercy).

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This is by definition an argument.

We’re presenting opposing sides and having a debate.

If all things were mutually agreed upon arguments would not exist.

He’s right that we wanted dive nerfed, but we didn’t ask for a hero that countered EVERYTHING.

so idk why hes blaming us tbh

They also saw Doomfist as a problem because he was nerfed like 80 times as well, at the same time as Brigitte. But the thing is, all new heroes get nerfs to even them out and make them more balanced. That’s why they need us to play the characters so they can see the stats. Doomfist was intolerable in lower ranks and even up to higher ranks, so they nerfed him. Brigitte was intolerable in certain ranks and was doing things she shouldn’t have been, so they nerfed her.

It takes time to balance a character. They aren’t going to be perfect right out of the gate. We don’t life in fantasy, this is the real life.

Because that’s literally what the community did.

Any time you mentioned possibly slightly nerfing Tracer or Genji, you were met with defensiveness, hostility, and condescending statements from people who like/main those heroes.

:man_shrugging:

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I can’t expected to read anything besides the headline of a thread. That’s Jeff’s fault btw. Lol. See I can do it too.

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You can’t! Again you don’t have the ability to filter it out when characters were used for what compositions! You’re just using a popular character poll. Another issue is that you just assume that the majority was Dive meta, but you can’t even prove how much dive meta was actually in use.

That I can agree upon.

There was a feasible way to end Dive without nerfing anyone, using a new hero.

However, the way Brigitte was executed was half-baked at best, she could have countered dive without making tank main’s lives a living hell.

You do realize that there are official statistics that are released that reveal hero usages, right? Like, those aren’t us creating the statistics, but a literal, factual source that provides it?..

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Wow… all the remaining respect I had for Jeff is gone. There’s not much he could say that would fully wipe it out… but there it goes. Release Brigette was the worse balancing decision I’ve seen in any competitive games I’ve played since I started gaming.

His whole “if you buff heroes they might become too strong in normal circumstances” - basically excusing buffing the dumbest part of certain heroes kits recently. And “if you nerf meta heroes they won’t be balanced anymore” when those same heroes are the most common ones on ladder (for the most part) in comp totally unrelated to the top percent of games.

It just sounds like he learned the basic elements of game balance today. Like that it’s a series of trade offs and that they’ve done them really poorly really slowly and really hamfistedly when they do take action. I thought I liked Jeff but honestly I don’t want him balancing the game at all. Any confidence in his decision making is completely gone

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Name the most prevalent meta before GOATS, I’ll wait.

Dive was literally the meta that everyone got sick of, they introduced Brig, and then we got GOATS.