Which is no problem, but to keep pushing it as the best/most fun meta is hilarious.
It’s boring to play and watch.
Moira should get nerfed when Soldier’s no skill butt gets his spread restored and his damage nerfed lmao
Moira? Babied? Brig was nerfed into the ground just to save Tracer from being unplayable. Genji took a hit when Brig came out too.
Imagine that? When was the last time Moira was nerfed because she countered something
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I also have to ask about Moira being “babied”. Because she’s been constantly nerfed since her release lol
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They’re allowed to be.
But when they’re better than the heroes who require more skill in multiple aspects, then I find that to be problematic.
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Support is my second most played role. Won 4 comp matches in a row yesterday on support. I even prefer support in dive.
Remove all roles and let the party begin.
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You are right, which is why I think that Junkrat and Sym should be far stronger in high ranks than Soldier.
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could you imagine the low ranks if they buffed junk/symm to be meta in grandmaster
the low ranks would probably miss soldier and i think maybe soldier would be a rare site or become like previous sombra where you never saw her much hehe
Moira is absolutely babied. She’s not only far and away the easiest character in the game, she’s also received QoL changes to make the parts of her kit that were even the tiniest bit difficult (pee management and vulnerability during her ult) require even less thought and effort.
Her kit is horrifically bad design.
Yes, that’s what happens when a character enables comps that make an entire role obsolete. It wasn’t just Tracer and Genji that GOATs made unplayable, it was dps as a whole.
That being said, Tracer is absolutely one of the golden children along with Kiriko and Ana. I won’t deny that.
I wasn’t talking about GOATS. I was talking about Brig. There was a huge stipulation in high ranked games that you just don’t play Tracer into Brig because she was hard countered. Then it became a topic of discussion that Brig should be nerfed because simply Tracer was unplayable. Brig was nerfed shortly after.
Moira was hardly viable for a long, long time. Those QoL changes you’re referring to were only brought into the game after people in the community began talking about Moira and how awful she was. Her healing management was horrible, regardless of how much she offered up front (80 HPS). You were forced to play DPS Moira to keep your healing up. That’s where the DPS Moira complaints originally came from.
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She’s an easy hero with a low skill floor sure, but she also has a very low skill ceiling to match.
There gets to a point on the ladder where moira simply stops working because she doesnt do enough to match other support options. That is why she is allowed to be easy to play
If she was easy to play and also the strongest support at every rank then we’d have an issue because she would break the skill curve of the game. But thankfully like I said, there gets a point where she stops being effective and other higher skill supports offer more
Simple paradox:
if a hero without skills duels against the same hero without skills, who wins?
The most skilled of the 2.
No hero is without skills, just different ones.
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The amount of cope and excuses in this thread are truely hilarious AND the reason the game is in the state it is now: literally nerfed of skill. The amount of dilusion from people that dont get why harder heros, heros with higher skill ceiling should be stronger and get more value when that skill ceiling is reached is crazy.
I like playing Moira too, shes fun. But be real with yourself: she is incredibly easy to play.
SOOo Why is their enjoyment more important then mine?
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Go play tetris, this is a first person shooter: mechanical skill/ aiming should be valued/ rewarded.
Tracer is absolutely one of the golden children, so that isn’t really surprising to me.
In high ranks, sure. But she wasn’t designed to be good in high ranks. Her entire kit lends itself to stomping noobs and bads in metal ranks and then falling off a cliff in higher ranks just like every other noobstomper like Junk, Bastion and Symm do.
Through the lens of someone in a high rank, those QoL changes may have been seen to help an ailing character with their woes. That’s fine. In low ranks though they served to make a character who was already fairly solid and already got an inordinate amount of value for how easy they were even easier.
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There is thing called balance. Idk if you have heard of it
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YA I did … Widow can one shot how is that balanced?
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So play Widow then. See how that works out.