If you do, please put link here, so we know. This e-sport insanity has to stop, before it is too late.
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I literally quoted word for word what actually happened and the rules in the CoC is breaks. But go ahead and continue to defend that type of behavior.
So you intentionally ignoring an argument until one of your followers is down to dogpile on your detractor is justified? No. You saw you were quoted when the post was made, now you’re playing naive to save face.
Funny enough I was actually replying to another one of your followers who copys your post everywhere like it’s their own thoughts. I pretty much summerised the type of person I’m talking about here:
Maybe people shouldn’t use your arguments as their own first and foremost, and maybe you should really learn how to give a proper argument that isn’t riddled with fallacy, opinion and bias.
There’s a trend going on here.
I’m not even sure this was proper english, but yes we’ve already established you were in fact quoted in it before and completely dodged it until one of your followers was down to dogpile on your detractor, like arguments with you usually go.
Implying badwidow had no part in this.
And this is literally admittance of guilt. You intentionally didn’t reply to the post you were quoted in a month ago and are only now acknowledging it once badwidow was down to dogpile with you. So thanks for that.
No, it is literally actions that are prohibited in the CoC. Don’t play naive, I directly quoted it for you. You can play your mental gymnastics all you want, but the fact remains.
It’s been a few days since that last reply. Your advice is appreciated but not needed now.
You are not seriously that naive.
If that’s what helps you sleep at night. Denial of evidence and reenvisioned definitions seem to be your forte after all, as proven countless times in this thread through our exchanges.
No, me having to post the same reply to you word for word twice because i got silenced is attempting to silence disagreement.
If that’s what helps you sleep at night. Denial of evidence and reenvisioned definitions seem to be your forte after all, as proven countless times in this thread through our exchanges.
You are not seriously that naive.
You entire argument around res in OP is exactly that, what?
See. You even backpedal after saying it isn’t then go on to defend it is. When it still isn’t. I get you that you love arguing for the sake of arguing, but at least be consistent.
Opinion.
Dev’s have changed their opinion on how to balance plenty of characters. Mercy’s not special enough just to get a free pass on that too.
Is that what you call what you did? Denying the evidence provided, backpedeling and contradicting yourself in order to argue each point individually only further hurting your overall stance and then kicking over the chess board claiming your the victor? Sorry, try again.
Because there wasn’t an entire meta that lasted a year built around having high mobility. Get real.
red herring.
Is that what you call what you did? Denying the evidence provided, backpedeling and contradicting yourself in order to argue each point individually only further hurting your overall stance and then kicking over the chess board claiming your the victor? Sorry, try again.
Denial of evidence does not stop the existence of that evidence.
You were looking at the stats of GM only, and remembered mercy’s stats for GM only, when we had the discussion about you thinking there was absolutely no way to see GM only stats?
Seriously you’re just lying at this point so you can save face. Nice try straw manning again though. Next time leave the quote in context. I know that’s a hard concept for you.
Lie - You lying about knowing how to check GM stats after saying there is no way to see GM only stats is the lie.
Admittance - You admitting there is no way see GM only stats specifically when there was and has always in fact been a way to do so on Overbuff is admitting to not knowing something existed.
See the difference? Try and keep up with your own mental gymnastics, it’s not that complicated. Then again it might be when you’re the one making it up as you go.
Moira’s average didn’t scale well, because she falls off in high elo. Mercy’s did. again. Try and keep up. Or continue beating on those straw men, what ever.
Just read everything that’s been quoted by you in this comment above this text. For real you’re just saying the same arguments over in different ways and then adding some new fallacy, contradiction or another kind of flare text to seem like you had a point at all or that you even addressed the previous point. It’s actually kind of sad you’re still doing this after every time we’ve had these kind of discussions.
Irony.
Okay true. You’ll have to forgive me for explaining to you how your continuing fabrications told back to you are actually that bad that when told back to you, don’t even make sense to you personally.
Except it didn’t. At all. And you’re lying to safe face. Again. The only glitch jump in the game prior was genji’s triple jump and the crouch jump every hero can do.
This might be hard for you to understand, but I’m going to try and hopefully you don’t find a way to play mental gymnastics here too. A hero not being meta, does not make them bad. In this example, Hanzo. At the same time, a hero can specifically be great on specific maps and be terrible otherwise with a kit thats more of a detriment to teams than anything. This being Sym in that argument. Winrate and pick rate are not the end all be all. Context does in fact matter.
Again. I’m just explaining your own arguments back to you at this point.
Hey, I actually agree with you here. That’s rare. The thing is, Mercy’s mass res was under performing. Winston Labs collected the data from every ultimate that was used in pro play at the time, and measured the impact of said ultimate by how the team did in the team fight it was used in. Mercy’s Mass res was by far the lowest impact, by a pretty significant margin.
You really should step out of this echo chamber some time.
I agree personally.
Well this is retrospect if anything. Though, even then, the rework did in fact succeed in what it was intended to do. It got rid of mass res and all the problems that came with it. The problem thereafter was not her resulting kit, but the backlash from the community every time they made an attempt to balance the hero, effectively making balance take entirely to long.
You sure?
Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate the statistics, but if that’s healthy, then by all accounts Mercy is basically right where she was before in current patch. (gm only, this week)
You’re right, but your conclusion is wrong.
It wasn’t just one part of Mercy’s kit. Chain beams, High mobilty, Enough hps to negate Winstons damage, topped with the highest healing average and easiest healing mechanics, then also including the best utility with damage boost which has always been powerful the way it synergises with certain heros and to add e res on top of all of that. Something had to give. Mercy gained a great amount of utility. Either they had to remove that utility, or take away from something else she excels at. Given she needs her sustain and mobility for survival. Her utility is a big part of why she synergises with so many new team comps now… the only other solution was to take away from her healing, which honestly they did a great job at since they did take awya from it, but didn’t axe it’s intended purpose. She is still by far the best most consistant single target healer.
Tl:dr. Res on E is a factor, but far from the only one.
You kind of already marked the point in where that argumant stops working. Past tense.
By giving her utility so she’s not just a heal bot.
You say this like it’s a bad thing? You wouldn’t run phara into widow. You wouldn’t run mccree into winston. You wouldn’t run Moira with a phara team comp and you wouldn’t play Ana if you can’t consistantly heal a genji… well to be fair many do on that last one, and their team suffers for it… but the point I was getting at is different hero’s work in different team comps for different reasons and that’s how it should be. No character should work 100% of the time. Before all the balancing, thats where mercy was. Yes, she was unfun sure what ever, but she was viable in any team comp you can think of. Now she’s not. She has her intended niche and she excels in it. Her niche just isn’t worth running current meta.
This is telling about your bias though.
Your right, she does other things. Dodging the intended straw man here. My point was every main healer does in fact pocket the core of the team. In Moira comps, that’s the tank line. In Ana comps. That’s usually the intended Nano target. In Mercy comps, that’s phara, snipers, mccree, junk… basically the high pure damage hero’s.
Your perception of main healer is flawed. Yes you do in fact branch out when the core is in good standing but your first priority is always keeping the core of your team comp up so they can get their big combo going.
Healing is supposed to help win a team fight, not stop a team fight from being winnable. Giving your team mate an extra shot or two is doing your job. If they still die, they should. They’re getting focused and/or not playing defensive enough
Really? Because Mercy could indefinitely prevent sustained fire from a few different sources, meanwhile Ana and Moira has a resource that runs out which gurantee’s an opening the enemy can commit to taking out the person they’re focusing.
It’s no wonder you don’t adept then.
… The single target main healer who worked with snipers and phara comps only before her rework’s intended niche wasn’t to pocket the core of those team comps, the sniper or the phara?
I’m not the one in this conversation who thinks valkery is bad, or e as an ability is flawed. I see mercy now has an offensive ult with defensive capabilities. I see Mercy now has utility and isn’t just a heal bot like she was before. You on the other hand, are trying to project your thoughts and opinions onto me.
It is when your idea of numerical is flawed. Mayhaps don’t try to reinvent definitions and jigsaw them into an argumant made from bias.
Resurrect in 1.0 was “numerically” bad, which has actually properlly been graphed in the winston labs data above. We also know e-res has a bunch of new uses, old uses and can be applied more often, with a lot more risk and a much higher skill cap to it, as proven countless times in OWL alone.
I’m just quoting this one specifically to laugh at it. You are actually trying to argue that flying into the middle of 5 dead team mates, 6 of the enemies surrounding your dead team mates, pressing q, and living through it cause invulnerable is harder to do than e-ressing directly ontop of a single target being slowed down 75% for 1.75 seconds with no invulnerability.
Never mind the fact you specifically complain how much harder it is on numerious occasions in this same thread, but the fact you actually thought arguing the opposite would somehow make any sense whats so ever beyond proving you’re actually just arguing to argue with me at this point, with no real point behind it.
As oppose to every other time? Seems typical for you tbh.
You mean during the time it had a huge sr exploit? To nobodies surprise.
Don’t worry, i’ve known that feel. I wont hold it against you.
Except, in order to take away from e-res feeling like an ultimate, taking the second charge of res away from valk is more of a nerf to e res than it is to valk, even more so when they further nerf e-res by putting a cast tyme and a 75% slow on it.
No, the article I linked earlier was enough to get Mercy changed in the first place. You can continue looking for the boogyman in order to place blame. From mercy’s only being nerfed cause e res to mercy’s only being reworked cause streamer opinion, and that’s still you doing the same thing you do with your argumants. You’re just addressing one part out of context which completely throws off not even just your argumant, but your whole perspective of the actual topic being discussed.
Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate the statistics, but if that’s healthy, then by all accounts Mercy is basically right where she was before in current patch. (gm only, this week)
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Never mind the fact pickrate has nothing to do with balance as i explained earlier, and the obvious misquote yet again in order to form a strawman. I mean, I literaly just called you out for this.
You’re just addressing one part out of context which completely throws off not even just your argumant, but your whole perspective of the actual topic being discussed.
Context was, yes she’s slightly weak now, but relatively balanced in her niche above all else the meta’s against her currently.
Again, Fun is subjective. What hardcore fans find fun, casuals will hate. Kind of the problem this game has had for awhile now. They’re trying to push Overwatch into esports but keep it casual friendly which has lead to some really bad decisions in terms of balancing, which directly affect the hardcore fanbase and the casuals who have no interest in the esports scene. Funny that.
Again, you really need to step out of the echo chamber of these forums.
You actually just admitted to the means in which 70 of you collude with one another. You’re not this naive.
yeah i didn’t realize it till after people told me but they need to buff her its bad people some people are saying final I’m able to go on another healer but why should the people who like playing mercy be fourced to switch because of nerfing her.
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I have a question for you.
How long did that take to write?
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Entirely too long tbh. Even when copy and pasting.
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This really irritates me because no one should be glad that a character was thrown in the gutter because they can play X character again. It’s a terrible mentality.
And for clarification purposes: I’m agreeing with you.
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I honestly couldn’t care less about the rest of your conversation with Titanium. But since when is being in constant contact with people somehow conspiring with them? My extended family and I would be utterly guilty of collusion if that was the case. Heck, same with guilds or groups on Facebook…
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My brother got me a Mercy shirt two Christmases ago. Actually, one of the times I wore it, I found out that the person taking my order was a Lucio main. I love the shirt. I love Mercy. But I don’t wear it out in public anymore, or if I do, it’s hidden under a sweatshirt or jacket.
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According to Titanium, 70 people are the reason this thread exists. It is a product of 70 people. So for it to get spammed all across the forums, cross linked, and brought to the attention of as many people as possible by a good portion of those 70 people, they are going out of their way to manipulate the perceived majority opinion by orchestrating the illusion the vocal minority is in fact a majority.
With a brief glimps of some of the familiar suspects, they’re probably the same people who intentionally go into other threads, high jack them and make it about mercy.
Edit. Not to mention what happens to any of it’s detractors.
Whats worse is that I REALLY do want to play Mercy again.
But…looking at her state now, its not worth it other than pocketing Pharah. I completely dropped her since Jan and Ive been playing Ana, Moira, Zen and Brigitte for support role. I really do want to juggle healing again like Mercy but…its just one big mess.
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Umm…what? People can’t come up with an idea together that they think is the best solution for what we are facing? That’s a PROBLEM? Spammed and cross linked? What in heaven’s name are you talking about? So because people came up with an idea TOGETHER, the idea can’t be shared or referenced??? And no one is making it seem like more support this than you seem to think Titanium is insinuating. And seriously, over 1.5k likes is 70 people doing that? Do you realize how utterly ridiculous this sounds?
Anyway, collusion is the last thing that is happening. Your argument has no legs to stand on other than your bias. I mean, how dare people who share similar interests communicate with one another on a regular basis. How dare they brainstorm and come up with ideas. Good grief.
That’s all I have to say on that subject, future responses from you or not.
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McCree comps arn’t bad either. Hanzo and widow comps still get a fair amount of play too.
You should really give the CoC a read.
But the problem with her is that theres more than 1 or 2 particular heroes I need to take care of, tanks especially.
I play Moira and Ana to take care of the overall healing of the game especially tank heroes whom Mercy’s healing cant keep up. Zen and Brigitte for their utility because they can debuff enemies like Pharah and Genji.
Its just literally every other support has better healing and utility compared to her. I really want to play her, but I see no reason because theres nothing she can provide that the other supports can.
If people agree with a thread, of course they are going to share said thread to as many people as they can.
As for “manipulating the perceived majority opinion by orchestrating the illusion the vocal minority is in fact a majority”, there’s nothing supporting that.
It’s cool to manipulate words and to be eloquent, but if you’re not able to provide any evidence for your claims, there’s no reason for anyone to believe what you say.
A “probably” isn’t enough to draw a conclusion, that’s just bias.
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As for “manipulating the perceived majority opinion by orchestrating the illusion the vocal minority is in fact a majority”, there’s nothing supporting that.
Idk why but this sounds something youd see on 4chan.
Not necessarily. You are right Mercy can’t keep up all around healing anymore but that isn’t to say she can’t be ran as a main healer in those types of comps. It just needs a second heavy healer to be effective. Basically using Ana or Moira in the of healer spot… usually Ana since she meshes better with sniper/phara comps than Moira.
The team trades a defensive ult for playing much more aggressive.
A thread that OP admits was the product of 70 people that’s been thrusted into the highest liked and most viewed spot, while also being the most shared… Evidence kind of speaks for itself. I’m sorry if those words were too much for you btw.
Well I could just follow those 269 linked posts and see how many of them are linked into threads that have nothing to do with mercy originally, but I honestly don’t care enough.
But thats the point.
Why even play Mercy if thats the case where you already have someone who can take care of her healing? I have Mercy who cant keep up with massive healing, but I have 2 other healers who do. So again, theres no reason to even pick Mercy then.
We’d just need another off support in the team like Brigitte, Zen or Lucio and we’re good to provide utility.
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Don’t you know? Sharing ideas and things with which you agree is against the CoC.
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