Uh… um… ehhh…tries to think of what is actually incorrect about statement…
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Genji mains… Mercy mains…
Those get hate more than Sym 1.0
This forum has a cult dedicated to Symmetra
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And they want to kill everything ez without switching…so they cry everyday on forums for dps buffs and heals and tanks nerfs they are like babys I hate that so much
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The community begged for Mercy to be changed in some way that didn’t include Mass Res, ESPECIALLY when “Hide & Seek” was a VERY popular strategy.
Not just DPS, not just Tanks, not just Supports.
Heck, not even Mercy-Mains, but the community.
Moira RNG? I don’t even know what this is supposed to be, but I’m more than sure that it was for balance reasons.
Roadhog was gutted because low-ranked players were complaining about him flanking and picking off Support-heroes or any 250 HP hero like it without them being to react, it wasn’t DPS-Mains.
D.Va was nerfed because of Dive & how much better she was versus every other off-tank hero, something that was reflected in how she was in almost every other meta composition.
Orisa & Sigma were nerfed because of Double Barriers and how much better they were versus against the rest of the Tank category, their nerfs were purely to try to help the game.
Brigitte was hilariously overpowered and maintained a substantial amount of dominance across all ranks and enabled the most overpowered and uncounterable meta in Overwatch history, that was ALL her.
The whole Brigitte voice actor thing, while uncalled, has less to do with DPS-Mains and more to do with immature people.
Again, Role Queue was not made to curb “5-DPS insta-locks” (the devs even confirmed that 2-2-2 was ran more often than any other team comp), so much as it was to put an end to GOATS.
GOATS was SO broken, the devs had to literally make it unplayable.
I’ll give you this one, because it IS aiming to lower queue times, but at the same time, it’s not like 1-3-2 is going onto the game so much as it’s an experiment.
Heck, Jeff Kaplan even confirmed that 1-3-2 isn’t going to make it in due to how negative reception has been, so this really shouldn’t even be a complaint.
That’s literally everybody who isn’t a GM-player.
Remember how much people complained about Dive meta and how “broken” Genji & Tracer were despite Genji & Tracer (especially Tracer) being mediocre to downright horrible in low-ranks.
Yeah, revisionist history is definitely at play here.
Again, that could be applied to almost EVERY single role and hero in this game.
It wasn’t DPS-Mains that got Sombra nerfed into oblivion so much as it was a LOT of Tanks & Supports who complained that they couldn’t react to her hack fast enough.
PLENTY of people were begging for Symmetra nerfs after she got 40% DPS increase.
…and again, ROADHOG was nerfed from being the squishy-slayer that he was ENTIRELY because a lot of people in lower ranks (Tanks & Supports included) complained about him when he wasn’t even broken.
All you’ve done is named out a bunch of things that happened and pinned the blame solely on DPS-Mains without looking at how the other roles took some part of blame.
Why? Because it’s easy to blame DPS when they’re the most visible role on the team.
I sometimes wonder just how toxic this game would be if DPS as a role went out the window and only Tanks & Supports were left.
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On the forums it was mostly doomfists and ball mains hating on her. I didn’t see a lot of support hate, even though she was pretty ruinous towards lucio 
There was a LOT of doomfist hate towards Sombra.
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I know, I CLEARLY remember just how much the hate Sombra got when she first got her original changes.
This was back on the old forums and before Hammond was even released onto the game.
Tanks & Supports were FURIOUS as to how they hard of a time they had playing against her.
Some DPS players hated her, but those were VERY specific in size.
Most of the people who had an issue were Tanks and Supports because they relied on their abilities a lot more than most DPS heroes.
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Yeah, I never did see a lot of support hate though. Tanks sure, Doom and Ball (yeah. ball is a tank, but they ESPECIALLY hated her) sure.
Supports?
Not so much.
At the time, Genji / Tracer / Widow was hated way more by them. Sombra wasn’t really on their radar.
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I don’t even think it was smurfs. I was one of those bad Tracers before I got better at the game. People just disliked flankers because they couldn’t hit them. Even if the flankers weren’t confirming kills it was the fact that there was basically a shark who would come back and forth unmolested if your team wasn’t helping you.
Yeah because flankers are irrelevant. I’m saying that people’s complaints about the DPS class won’t cease just because anti-flanker supports exist. That’s why I’m saying it’s not about the flankers at all.
I honestly think Moira is fine in her current state. If it were up to me to reduce complaints on both sides of the aisle I’d tighten up her aiming hitbox and buff her in another area to help her out at higher ranks.
I do not think that will go over well for the majority of people that play this character though, even if it would give her more power and a higher skill ceiling. People don’t want to give up the easy aiming.
Yeah the balance opinions I’ve seen from you have always been reasonable, I’m just saying don’t mistake your thoughts for the rest of the people on this forum. The anti-dps sentiment is rabid at this point.
Yep, there’s a huge Mercy/Mei/Sym/Sombra/Dva overlap. I can’t tell you how many players I’ve run into who main these characters. Even Sombra is hard and Dva isn’t as good as she used to be, the ties run deep.
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- Before role queue, there were many players wanted to play DPS, but their sense of obligation to the team or whatever had them fill as support or tank. It engendered a bitterness that might never go away.
- The PotG feature generally favors DPS players
- The whole vibe of FPS games has the players who get the kills as the stars. The top right of the screen is the “kill feed”. The satisfying sound effects are for scoring kills.
- The OWL audiences give the biggest cheers for DPS players. The few support stars are stars for, you guessed it, being able to kill stuff (Jjonak, Ryujehong)
- DPS heroes prey on support heroes by design. The conflict between them is literally being played in the game itself.
There will always be that seed of jealousy and annoyance, and it’ll always cloud judgements to various degrees.
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It’s players that can’t recognise their own faults and unwillingness to hop off their chosen support, or it’s tank that can’t recognise that DPS require space.
All in all, it’s players misunderstanding that a team needs each other to perform to their best ability.
My play is 1/10th DPS if that, please don’t assume otherwise.
It’s frustrating when you believe that a match is out of your control, so it’s easy to blame the DPS for not securing kills. The thing is, it’s a team effort and often, there’s another character you can play that can fill the niche that your team needs or you can just perform better yourself.
This game can also feel like you either crush, or you get crushed. Balanced games can often feel few and far between. There’s a lot of moving parts to this meta and not every tier understands this well.
Yeah, the DPS hate IS unreasonable post 2-2-2
I’d be 100% on board with that.
Oh, don’t I know it.
Yeah, they are their own group. I mean, I am SO part of that group, so I get it. I play Ashe, but that is me going outside of that area.
They are the “nope, you have been outsmarted” group.
Going for that big play where you are going to wreck the team? Have a bag of nope on that.
It is why they are also hated 
You use them to save your team in ways the rest of the support lineup can’t - they are ALL about tilting the battlefield.
And some people LOVE that kind of thing (I’m one of them)
Ah but they’re not real Damage with their auto-aim abilities, ex Support and no skill etcetcetc.
Bastion is just bad… everyone feels bad for him…
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I’m a mixed bag, my favorite DPS are Ashe, McCree (pre-firerate buff), & Sombra.
My favorite Supports are Ana, Baptiste, and Mercy (when I have someone competent to Damage boost).
…and my favorite Tanks are Reinhardt, Zarya, Roadhog & Orisa.
I want to play Symmetra more, but most of friends tend to play Winston so I don’t get as covered as much as I want and so I usually end up running Tracer instead.
False. That was spearheaded by the “undoing my Skill” DPS crowd, championed by Seagull himself. A phrase to be repeated more later in OW history. Mercy mains didn’t even get any input on the rework, and DPS mains kept pushing the Rez is OP angle. Most of the complaints were DPS mains. Any mercy main will tell you that.
Moira Orb RNG PLz NERF BLIZZ! was a toxic overexaggerated campaign led by Samito ( A doomfist/DPS streamer) and his army of DPS mains mad at Moira. It was so stupid it became a meme on the forums. Blizz didn’t act on it because the logic was stupid. Led by DPS mains.
everyone complained about hook 1.0, but the nerfs to hook CD and his gun changes were campaigned by Flanker mains.
No one outside of Hitscan DPS players really cared about D.va’s place in the meta, literally 98% the complaints about her were from DPS players saying she’s too versatile because of her pickrate. Keep in mind this was when we only had 5 tanks, and DPS had like 14 options.
No one cared about Orisa until Sigma came along. Sigma enabled Double Barrier, then all of a sudden DPS players started crying about Fortify and all this other stuff that’s been in her kit in the game for 2 years. DPS players started crying again about “undoing skill” because of Fortify. Sigma was just a byproduct of having Synergy with Orisa, but he was also complained about because “Tanks shouldn’t get kills”. Like I said, I’m just repeating the narratives DPS mains used to justify it, and Blizzard acted on it.
A meta no one played outside of OWL/GM. DPS mains were furious about her all the time and we had nerf brigitte threads all day everyday, and people still mad about her countering tracer moved that over to harassing her VA.
Not really, like I said above, DPS mains just act like what OWL/GM DPS players go through they go through too lol.
Yawn Stylosa came out with a video hyping up Baptiste and overexaggerating his kit and literally within 24 hours Calls for Baptiste nerfs started from Salty DPS mains. Despite once again, no one really caring about Baptiste prior to that video. Same thing happened to Orisa, Moira, D.va, etc. Each and every DPS streamer who has complained about them somehow has had that opinion echo with their DPS brethren and they come here acting like it’s gospel and repeating whatever clickbait phrase the streamer used to justify why the game is broken. Hyperbole on top of Hyperbole.
Look I get it, you want to deflect, deny, etc…but the community KNOWS how trash DPS mains are and how Blizzard caters to them because they complain non stop. People are just calling a spade a spade. Simple pattern recognition really. It’s not controversial, hence why this thread was made in the first place. They are literally at fault for the negative experience many Tank/Support players have. I’m not calling them toxic, just saying they are the loud majority who negatively impacts other gamers’ experiences.
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I don’t remember it being “the community”. Damage and people posting streamers raging.
Hide & seek was popular for the broken SR and “yolo 5 man res!”. Outside the absurd immortality buff it was almost never a reliable play.
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That’s literally the definition of toxic but I don’t even know why I’m bothering, you and other people like you are so blinded by hatred and the sort that any argument that doesn’t agree with the notion that DPS are horrible, awful people is met with passive aggressiveness and or silenced.
I’m just going to agree to disagree because nothing we both say will ever make the other see different, rather than waste my time on a pointless back and forth.
Maybe on PC, but the community also includes Console play, and on Console that was LITERALLY all that you were seeing almost every match.
If you were a Mercy-Main you were flamed from not hiding or pulling off the 5-Man Res, if you were a DPS you were flamed for not finding her, if you were a Tank that could CC her, you were also flamed for that.
It was a horrible time to play on Console for any player.
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I don’t hate them, just stating what happened, but yea I don’t really care to keep debating, because I and a lot of other gamers know what happened and that’s fine with me. My comment didn’t get so many likes because I was lying or being disingenuous. Just food for thought next time you think DPS disdain is unjustified.
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So you’re saying DPS players should be hated because of how they choose to play the game?
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Literally didn’t say that anywhere, even said that changes were “seemingly” made to appease DPS.
But sure buddy, if you want to believe that, go ahead.
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All anecdotal. Just like most of the time I went for 5 man or saw others it would just waste time and feed ult charge cos we spawned in as sitting ducks for a murdering. I’ve been flamed for “wasting res” on the main tank or anything under 3, I’ve been flamed for going for 5 man.
Report and mute if it bothers you or engage them politely and get more fuel to report them with. Though blizzard is pretty worthless in actually banning abusive people so maybe just squelch and move on =\
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