Again tracers is one of the worst because unless you understand maps timeing and have high game sense you will mostly die using it
Yet Tracer has been the most played DPS in OWL and T500 and has never fallen out of viability because of it. Her mobility gives her survivability that no other hero has when attacking someone by herself.
It doesn’t matter if it takes skill to use or not, that doesn’t change the nature of what an ability is or excuse it.
Because they have the game sense to use it how is this not understood its not free if you need tones of game sense to use it.
Yes it does it literally means its not free
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Yes you can track her back in 3 sec, but combined with her blinks very few heros phycially can follow her
yes they are strait lines, but still a get out of jail free card. Few heros can chase after him expecially if he goes onto high ground as few have vertical movement.
Moria fade can go farther then you think, doing a fade jump can grant her vertical movement and horizontla movment. Plus you cant see her where she is durring it so have to guess where she will exit from.
Like i said they have counters but very few can follow a good echo and pharah if they position themself correctly. Flight has extremely good movment where they can go over walls and buildings that no one else can.
What cooldowns? Almost all Hard CC was removed. Before you had to had to actually wait or play smart. Now you have to what, whatch out for sleep?
I mainly play support and have no problems tracking her on any of the heros in masters
They can shoot him and no its not a get out of jail free card when you have to use game sense to know how to get away.
Yet i can find her almost every time.
So if its counterd its not a get out of jail free card because again its not free.
Mostly support abilities cass nade mobility abilities like graple lunge ga ash shotgun rein charge zarya buble sigma rock alot of abilities have to be played around
It’s also what completely ruined the game by requiring brig to get added to try to balance her.
You keep underplaying the survivability her mobility allows her to have.
But was a mistake from the start and tracer was fine befor brig. Brig just hard counterd her
And you seem to underplay hkw much skill and time it takes to use that mobile to survive. Mobility is not free survivability like armor or extra hp is you have to understand how to use it to gain that survivability unlike mei or reaper who just have it
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She was most certainly not lol.
I disagree she was fine just like pharah fly was fine before ramatra was added yet they added a counter to pharah
Pharah is
A) way easier to hit
B) Has gone through so many nerfs to her ability in OW1
She also… Just never got as good as Tracer got. Tracer has never fallen off out of T500 or viability as a whole. Pharah rarely goes into either.
And ftr I don’t think Pharah is well designed either. But she hasn’t been meta remotely near as long as Tracer has been, literally no hero has been meta as long as Tracer has been.
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?? Most dps actually can’t do these things, only genji and hanzo can, and none of the dps can wall run
Recall??
She’s not very OP right now, but she’s spent the majority of Ow1 without nerfs despite being clearly OP because the pros and devs didn’t want to ruin her fun factor. She got a special pass to be broken for a long time.
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I think the reason is that she has been meta or top 2 dps in the game for all of OW2 and the vast majority of OW1. At some point it gets annoying that one hero is allowed to be good that much and people start to hate her.
I think your missing my point entirely. When i say get out of jail free card im not say actually saying that they have no counter or work 100% of the time. Just that they have a ability that significantly makes it easier to escape from a fight.
All the heros i mention have some ability that can do that. CC is the counter to mobility, Hard CC was almost entirely removed from OW2. So mobility heroes had a counter removed from the game making them easier to use.
Now rememeber im not saying they dont have counters or make them get 100% of the time, but when you removed one of the main things that counter them, of course flankers will have a easier time.
Like i said they have counters and you do have to wait out abilites, but most of thoes abilites just deny your flank. They dont stop you from just turning around and using a movement ability to escape.
Tracer doesn’t. Bad positioning on Tracer means it’s not possible to Blink out of danger. Her entire kit is about going places you shouldn’t be able to, because she has the mobility to get out. That’s not bad positioning, it’s just playing Tracer correctly.
They have these abilities because they need them to do thier job calling it get out of jail free is just a way to demean the players that use said heros just like calling things spam.
Exept from tank and ana we lost 3 hard cc from the game thats all cassady mei and brig is all we lost the rest are still in the game the lroblem is people crutched on these cc to deal with flankers and or used it to bully tanks and they added more cc into the game in ow2 into the tank role and they have added the stung on brig back
Yet they dont because support have been buffed with the removal of a tank they can poket a dps or just heal each other flankers job is not easier i would argue its gotten harder because their is one less tank they dont have a tnak to flank with them like they used too they can only rely on them self and no one else unlike in ow1
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I agree. Tracer positioning is different than other heroes positioning, and thats a large part of the problem with her and why she’s so hard to balance.
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Not once did i say that the abilites were bad, nor did i say anything about the players using them. I know they are intergreal to their kit, however that does not change the facts that their abilites are “Get out of jail free cards”. I dont see that as a negitive thing, many games have such abilites, however they have counters to them as OW1 did. CC was the counter to them yet CC was removed or nerfed across the board. So people started getting annoyed at such abilites because they could do nothing to stop them.
Tanks dont really count anymore, we lost the off tank so if the tank is in the backlines protecting the supports from flankers then who is in the front line. Thats another thing, the removal of the off tank to deal with flankers also soft buffed flankers since that 1 less counter they have to deal with. Out side of tanks we had a few Hard CC and they were removed, becuase of that Flankers became to powerfull and the devs are now re introducing CC like hinder back into the game becuase that balance was broken when they took CC away from brig mei and cassaidy.
Yeah bastion could use an ult rework, it’s actually cheeks, only time it gets kills if it’s on a grav or you have potato enemies.
Well, she’d be fine at 5 damage, but Supports would then be overtuned. The whole issue is her damage being too high for her survivability. So we nerf her targets to not be stupidly survivable, and then nerf her so she can’t just win any 1v1 she takes.
Did i say you a said people use it as an argument to do those things