I see this come up a lot but did they ever say why they didn’t listen to them? What was the point in inviting them to try 5v5, and not listening to the people who play this professionally? Ego? Afraid of double shield killing the game?
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Presuming they didn’t and also presuming you know what the feedback was
That decision was not made lightly
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Pro players are a horrible group of people to listen to, because they dont want things to change at all. Never. Mainly because its makes it easier for them. They dont play for fun, they play to win and to change their teams and heroes is effort.
So to ask someone who dont want any change “Is the new thing a good idea?” you will get to 99% a “No, its terrible” answer.
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Every competitive sport/game follows the same rule set for centuries. So it’s understandable that pros want stabilities, instead of being at the mercy of every patch.
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I wonder that myself. Why invite and ask for feedback from the people who know your game well enough to play it at the most elite level just to turn around and say ‘Naaaaah we’re committed, thanks anyway though’?
That’s like asking Wayne Gretzky for hockey pointers and then assuming you know better because he says things you don’t want to hear.
These guys have an ego that writes checks their balance capabilities can’t cash.
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The problem is that they should not decide if the game should change or not. Its for the players or devs to decide. You can ask pros about some balance takes of some heroes THEY PLAY, but other than that you should ignore them if its not about gameplay improvements.
I don’t blame them, honestly. Sure it makes life less exciting for us every day players who aren’t earning a living off of the game…
…but imagine if the NBA or NFL regularly changed up the rules to make the sport easier for less athletic, every day people who just play for fun on the weekends or something.
I get that isn’t exactly an apples to apples comparison, I’m just saying, I get why it would irk the pro players in OW lol
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They didn’t listen to the community either. There was never this massive groundswell of people clamoring for 5v5.
This was solely Blizzards screw up.
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Its fine that pros have a problem. We need some serious changes in the game, because we reached a stale point where people are just bored with it.
5v5 was a result of all the problems they had no answer with in 6v6. Sure, we did not ask for it, but we did ask for tanks being stronger, not dependent on the secondary tank and shorter queue times.
And when they got loads of backlash they didn’t reverse course. They’ve doubled, tripled, and unless Aaron has finally woken the hell up, their getting ready to quadruple down.
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It was always like a 50/50 split between 5v5 and 6v6. The forum just leans to one direction, because we dont have many new people coming here.
5v5 is much better for casual players, because its not as deep. Not to mention you have impact. Something you did not have in 6v6, if you where not supported by at least someone esle.
Math. The answer is Math.
If Pro players can’t handle 3rd grade algebra, then they probably weren’t going to have a good opinion in the first place.
Because 1 day of testing with different members of the pro scene doesn’t magically give them a perfect idea of how everyhting is going to play out.
Many of them that tested that sombra changes played is if hack was still up for 5+ seconds at a time. When it was down to .75 seconds.
And then complained about how OP it was.
I think that’s one of the reason why OW competitive scene failed so hard, and now they focus on just the casual players
I dont know, I still maintain that 5v5 was their sneaky way of trying to save what remained of the OWL at that point.
They still had team owners to pay, and they knew another season of 6v6 would only seal the league’s fate sooner, rather than later.
So a “hey guize, tune into the new and improved OWL! Now with 5v5!” was the best idea they could come up with, with the limited time they had. Their reason was “hey y’all, it’s going to eliminate all these problems you’ve mentioned for so long!”
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Thats good, because OW was never a hardcore game. The best way to play OW is casually and OWL was always a mistake.
Fair point and OWL might had something to do with this. 6v6 could come back, now that OWL is just a shadow.
More like eSports, in general across the entire industry, was always a scam.
https://twitter.com/GreyFalcon_OW/status/1757635420492607746
That’s why it collapses to the point that Saudi Royalty funds now could buy it all on the cheap.
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On the hindsight, yes you are absolutely correct.
They should have stayed casual from the get go.
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If CCs had created a tournament for themselves, this would be completely fine, but they started to big and it failed so hard, that no one wants this anymore.
Marketing-- ok, Jeff is gone, for the rest of you who wants to stay we have new goal – make profit! We don’t carw about balance , lore or all this fantasy things, make this game money mashine.
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