Nerfed him to the ground so bad that his win/loss rate was barely affected and now people dont hate every second he’s in the game because he would kill you with next to zero effort involved and 0 counterplay to it.
Oh yeah… What a shame that happened…
If widowmaker has her lethality nerfed, in whatever fashion they choose to do so the game will objectively be in a better place. Just like how Sombra not being very strong in her current form is also good for the game as they are both excruciatingly badly designed characters for this game and its maps.
Counterpoint - everything people hate is fun to someone else. Once widow and hanzo get nerfed, the community will move on and b**** about the next thing
Look at Mei - she was NOT overpowered by any means but they nerfed her because people cried and didn’t know how to position properly.
But hey, they’re here to make money so it makes sense to cater to the casual whiners.
She’s OP. Assuming healers are paying attention, another widow or ball are really the only heroes with a chance of killing her. It’s silly to have a hero so strong there aren’t more counters to actually kill her
I’m not joking. Surely not everyone in this community is new to fps games and doesn’t understand getting shot in the head with a high powered sniper rifle will kill you?
Her charge time to 1-shot should be longer. Currently she only needs a partial charge to 1-shot a 200HP hero. You can dive her and in about 0.5s of scope she can already 1-shot you. This should be a lot longer - like 2s. And there is no reason at all she should have 300 damage on her primary. None.
She can also 1-shot 250HP heroes before she full charges her shot. Why is her max damage not 250 like hanzo? That is the breakpoint? She should have 250 and Hanzo should have 200 since half his 1-shots are random.
The conversation isnt about understanding what the idea is behind a sniper rifle, it’s about whether or not it’s fun to play against. Espescially given the map advantages and escape tools she has available to her. And I think the conclusion the OW community came to a long god damn time ago was that… It isn’t. One shots suck and are unhealthy for the game.
I can pretty comfortably say that a majority that play this game that get one-shot by widow before they had even the slightest chance to “counteract” her hitscan shot do not react with “Oh well that widow sure outplayed me. Boy oh boy what a fool I was.”
It’s more likely something along the lines of “Oh great a effin widow, Tank/Dps swap or its gg”
Speaking of “more fun” do you know why the AWP feels more fair in something like Counter Strike?
The AK and M4, your standard guns can viably counter it. Sure it’s harder because you don’t have a scope and you gotta get that dome-shot but it’s doable. There is practically no map in all of counter strike that provides ranges big enough for the damage fall of to reduce the “one-tap” to a “2-tap”. Heck, there are smoke grenades in the game that lets you obscure sightlines if we want to just talk of ways to force the sniper into a closer range.
Now tell me, can Pharah one-shot widow if she shoots the rocket real good? Can Mercy one shot widow back? No? Does anyone have a sweet smokegrenade that can obscure widows vision (not that it’d matter on most of the maps since they’re way too large and open).
So you think widow doesn’t stand still scoped for 2s for a majority of her shots already? That’s not what I’ve seen either in gold or with GM streamers. This will not affect most of her shots but would make grapple 1-shots harder and would make her more vulnerable - which is the point.
Widow ruins games for, I would guess, a majority of players (just my opinion from complaining about widow in game chat - there is so much agreement). I’ve had several games recently where the team just stops playing against the widow - stay in spawn or go around a corner and start meming - because they just don’t want to play a game getting 1-shot from narnia.
She is the only hero that causes this to happen and is responsible for a lot of leaving - watch how many ppl leave immediately after being 1-shot in QP. It’s a lot compared to any other hero (pharmercy is another that caus a lot of leavers, but not as many as widow because they appear less often).
Fair points. I think she needs her one shot until healing is nerfed because too much sustain is not fun to deal with either. People pick her because it’s an efficient way of securing kills.
Also, the most fun I have playing widow is on the front line. It’s truly feast or famine because you either put yourself in range and die, or delete them where they have the advantage (which feels great).
If they took away her one shot, they’d have to buff the hell out of her because all her kit’s power is focused on her weapon. She’d need an easy ‘Press Q to win’ ult just like everyone else and something to make her something other than a worse Ashe.
Personally I’d rather have a one shot meta over the GOATs/Barrier metas.
One-shots and the mega-high burst needs to go before healing is reduced.
We can’t know what the game will look like without those before they are removed and its better to have a slightly too sustainy meta for a couple weeks than one where everyone just dies all of the time.
People want to play and being dead constantly is less fun than a kill taking a bit longer to score.
You must know this is not the standard, nor the most efficient. Widow is mostly going to be insanely out of range for every character in the enemy team and picking them off or if she misses she still creates space/tension just by existing because you know that uncounterable shot might happen.
Shes not likely to lose the one shot but something has to change to make it so it cant happen every 0.6 seconds.
Hard disagree. Would rather everyone be glass cannons than bullet sponges. Nothing is more boring than shooting unkillable targets/shields. Plus, burst damage heightens my play and pushes me to play better than slow metas where I have all the time in the world to back up and heal.
For that reason alone, I love 5v5. Things die when you shoot them. Also I only frontline with her occasionally on push maps when I get a good shield tank like Rein.
