I mean, if you’re standing that close to the Graviton you kinda deserve it if you’re bashed. And when in the Graviton you often turn around unwillingly, so it’s not like she even has full control of it. As long as she can’t escape with it I see no issue.
There are various reasons why you would want to stand close to Graviton. Zarya herself has to enter it if she wants to finish people off if there’s a shield present. There’s a RMB + melee cancel that’s used exactly for that.
I think Graviton is super strong as is, so Brigitte being able to try to attempt to bash someone isn’t really a big concern. Honestly, I wouldn’t mind if the changed it so Genji can SS in it as well. Graviton could use a bit more counterplay.
Nah, nothing of that changes my point. I don’t see a reason why Genji should be able to SS inside Grav. Or anyone with any movement ability.
So DVa and Rein should be able to boop people back with charge and boosters. As long as it doesn’t take them out of grav, it’s fine.
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Well, I do think it would add some nice flavor to being caught in a Graviton - currently you mostly feel “Great, can you kill me so I can respawn already?”. 
That is about what it feels like and it would add some nice flavor.
I do agree with OP in the inconsistency part of it. Shield bash is for stunning and movement is part of it or you can use to get out of dodge. Charge is for one shotting and movement is part of it or you can use it to get out of dodge. One is disabled and the other isn’t.
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What about doomfist? He literally can’t punch while in graviton
That would indicate to me that the game sees RP primarily as a movement ability, with damage dealing being secondary. And this then leads back to the OP, asking why Shield Bash is still usable. I think Shield Bash is primarily a Stun (like Flashbang) with movement as a secondary. This appears to be backed up by the game allowing Shield Bash while stuck in a Graviton.
She can’t escape still so I don’t see the problem.
No, it indicates that it’s inconsistent.
In both cases it’s movement followed by damage.
Problem is that she can bash you if you enter the grav to RMB as Zarya. Or if you try to land a pulse bomb in it to combo with it. Or if you are Reaper and you need to come close to kill people inside it. Etc
If other characters who have a movement ability that deal damage on impact can’t use it when in melee range in grav, I don’t see why she should be able to.
It’s not. The stun is applied before she moves. You can try this out in the practice range. Stand right in front of a training bot and Shield Bash. You won’t move, but still stun it.
Why would a Zarya walk into a Grav to RMB? It’s a ranged attack.
You can throw it in and stick it without having to get right in there.
Same as above. You only need to get close if
- you’re a lone Zarya, and Reinhardt’s among those in the grav, shielding his team mates
- You’ve caught a Winston and he uses his bubble
In any other case, there’s no need to get close and take any risk.
Yup, and Doomfist can’t Rocket Punch. But hey, Blizzard totally favors those damn DPS chars amiright??!
I think the problem is Brigette can shut down most combos that use grav.
Genji wants to blade lmao nope
Reaper wants to ult lmao nope
Tracer looking to stick get outta here
Sombra wants to emp nope
Thats my two cents
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There’s no reason she should be able to. i guess you can argue that shield bash is a stun first and foremost and that’s why it can be used but in that case Swift strike is used primarily to do damage so genji should be able to use it if anyone gets too close. Tracer should e able to recall so long as she’s right back in the grav, doomfist should rocket punch me straight into the wall, and mccree should be able to roll for the reload.
But you can’t do any of those because any ability that has any movement is disabled. Shield bash being exempt was clearly just an oversight and should be fixed
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It’s not. The stun is applied before she moves. You can try this out in the practice range. Stand right in front of a training bot and Shield Bash. You won’t move, but still stun it.
Movement gets stopped the moment it collides with something. Same thing as Doomfist RP. Pick him and try it. The moment you impact a target with RP, you get stopped. Try doing it from close range, same thing as Brigitte. Yet, it gets disabled.
Why would a Zarya walk into a Grav to RMB? It’s a ranged attack
Because if there’s a Reinhardt with a shield, you don’t have time to go around it. You need to step through the shield and RMB while meleeing (it’s an animation cancel) at the center of the grav. Also, you can’t aim it for maximum splash from range even if there isn’t a shield since it will collide with the frontal targets and explode prematurely. For maximum impact, you want to be inside the grav while RMB + meleeing.
You can throw it in and stick it without having to get right in there.
Not really. Also, if you stick it to a target inside the grav, it will deal almost no splash damage due to how brutal the falloff is. When comboing Tracer with Zarya you want to stick the bomb at the bottom of the grav, not to a specific target, that’s the only way how it will actually deal significant splash. And that’s how it used to be before the pulse nerf. Now it’s even worse. But even if you throw the bomb, you get stunned by bash, your bomb disappears and gets canceled due to ult charge changes.
Same as above. You only need to get close if
you’re a lone Zarya, and Reinhardt’s among those in the grav, shielding his team mates
You’ve caught a Winston and he uses his bubble
Works for more characters than those. Genji gets hurt for it as well. Roadhog who uses whole hog and steps behind the shield gets interrupted by bash. Reaper who wants to blossom, same thing. Even Ana who’s trying to get a grenade onto people in grav might get stunned out of it. Etc
It’s beyond me in what mental acrobatics people will engage to defend an obvious inconsistency because it favours the hero they like/play.
Edit:
Most played heroes: Brigitte, Mercy.
Yeah, now it makes sense.
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Yet, I have no problems melting people who are caught in a Grav as Mercy.
Brigitte is similar to Reinhardt in this regard, except her main defensive value when caught in Grav comes from her Shield Bash, and not just the shield, because the shield is so small, she can only protect herself with it.
Ok, no point in discussing things with you anymore. Just gonna ignore you from now on.
The main value of mccree is his gun so why can’t he reload in grab with combat roll ?
Oh wait it’s disabled ??
Oh wait it’s a movement ability that doesn’t take him out of gravity as well ?
Doesn’t even do damage ??
oh
So combat roll is disabled but shield bash is active ???
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