Uhhh you got that the wrong way around. Dive comp without Winston isn’t a dive comp. You can run Winston/D.Va, Winston/Zarya or even Winston and triple DPS and have a solid dive comp, but if you’re not running Winston then it’s not a dive comp. You can run D.Va without Winston in a deathball or with Orisa, but you cannot have dive comp without Winston, whereas you can have dive comp without D.Va.
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Actually you can run Winston with out DVa. Winston only needs someone to go in with usually, which you can swap DVa out with tracer or genji since both are just as mobile. DVa is physically dependent on a barrier or healing being there to stay in a fight. Shes strong but only in a 1v1.
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Ha ha, you said Pness
I am not whining about D.Va! I am just waiting for Year of the Rabbit Lunar event when they hopefully give her the best bunny-themed outfit ever designed for a delightfully crazy girl and her pet Pepto Bismol mech. 
how come everytime i’ve started playing a new hero people want it nerfed? coincidence? 
hmmmmm
If I were to change her at all I would
Increase Booster CD by 1 second
Increase DM by 1 second (to a Max of 3).
Decrease the rate of recharge of DM
Decrease MM damage to a Max of 120 damage
Decrease the size of her critbox
Basically I would make her tankier at the cost of some of her mobility and damage.
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I mean… you’re actually just wrong.
That is just an outdated view of the meta. In high level play, people only pick the comps you suggested in very fringe situations like specific stages of koth maps or kings row attack. Triple DPS dive is not played much at all anymore due to the mercy nerfs and moira being added. The flow of the game has ended up in a place very different than you are describing.
That’s like me saying a defensive attack comp isn’t possible without Bastion because that is the meta on Junkertown.
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How is dive ever run with D.Va but without Winston? At high level play you’ll always have a main tank. Solo tanking with D.Va is trash, not having a main tank is trash, and running Orisa or Reinhardt isn’t dive.
Implying Winston is not dependent on healing? I mean yea, its possible to swap out dva for a winston just like it is possible to swap a tracer for a soldier in dive. It does not mean it is optimal.
Don’t forget moira. Lots of people have complaints there.
You dont have a main tank in dive… main tanks make it not dive. Rein, Orisa, Roadhog and the majority of the time Zarya are not played in diva. Rein and Orisa especially are not dive heroes, you are diving the enemy team. you have noone to stand behind your shield in that comp because you are in the meat of the enemy team.
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I have no idea what you think is going on but Winston is a main tank and running dive without him isn’t a thing.
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Yea, you play dive with winston. Because he is mobile. You also play dive with dva. Because she is mobile. You also play dive with genji. Because he is mobile. You also play dive with Tracer. Because she is mobile. You don’t run dive without Winston. You also don’t run dive without Dva. You are arguing that Dva doesn’t need a nerf because Winston is played along side Dva. If hero limits were not in the game, you would run dive with 2 Dvas instead of a Winston.
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That’s some pretty wild speculation, but it’s far more likely that you’d run two Winston’s.
You know, back when hero limits weren’t a thing, and the meta was two Winstons.
You need Winston to run dive. You don’t need D.Va. The original Korean dive that was meta for a while was Winston/Zarya. D.Va is not a necessity.
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You also ran two Lucios because the heal stacked. Widow was played every game because she did 150 on bodyshot. The entire meta has shifted and Dva has become a whole lot stronger. Basing your idea of ideal team comps off previous metas does not work because the entire game has changed. Dva is not the same hero she was at launch.
And what are you basing ideal team comps off? Pickrate? Pickrate tells you nothing about what heroes go well together. D.Va is more versatile than Winston, of course she has a higher pickrate, because you don’t see Winston in quad tank.
D.Va has a higher pickrate than Winston in OWL, you can’t infer that you can run D.Va without Winston in a dive comp from that.
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Success rate and counterability. You don’t run Dva without winston in dive because you dont run dive without a winston. I’m not denying winston is a part of dive comp. I am saying that Dva is also a part of dive comp. As well as quad, and 2 2 2, and triple.
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The real reason she has a high pickrate as well is largely do to there being 6 tanks as a whole vs 14 DPS heroes. obviously the pick-rate would spread across these numbers. Why you think the top 3 heroes tend to be from the smallest pool selection?
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Not necessarily saying shes OP, but i have a conceptual issue with making a tank hero less of a tank
dva right now is basically a heavy DPS character
No, but her mech is regenerating the damage that I do to it since the supports are healing her, which people underestimate Ana’s and Moira’s healing potential.
insert furious reply about picking Tracer or Genji to kill the support healing the Dva
Then to that I’d say that is if the counter to dive, is dive, shouldn’t that mean we need to nerf dive?
I wanted a revert to 3DM, not nerf it. Turning it into a 3D inta-delete ability was the worst mistake in the game, right after rez on a 30 second CD.
I want her reverted, so in a way it’s a nerf.
The hard part is that she’s already been radicalized by all of her nerfs and reworks.
3DM is a 2 second f-off ability.
Boosters are mobility on steroids, on a 5 second CD. I mean I guess you could nerf it since it hasn’t been changes, at least not dramatically since it was allowed to be a toggle ability.
Damage is horrid, only good up close.
Health has been gutted after being over-tuned. 100/400 → 200/400 → 400/200.
Ult: First I laugh. Then I say “are you serious” (already saw a thread about this in the past week)
Pilot Dva has it’s own drawbacks and nerfing it is like nerfing Pharah’s fingernails because she can stay airborne forever.
This is why I want to revert over a straight nerf. Because of how she plays now, there is nothing you can do to her except number tweaking or complete gutting.
Neither I want since they won’t fix core issues.
3DM needs to be turned back into 2DM where a projectile needs to travel X distance before it gets destroyed.
Health needs to go back to 100/400 (or even 200/300)
Missiles can stay.
I completely agree. Her power comes from synergy, but it it’s going to take a power creep to properly balance her OR the rest of dive then I’d rather get nerfs.
The current Junkrat state is what the power creep looks like. Sombra is adding to it in a few weeks when her buffs go live. Do we really want more heros like that running around?