What exactly are you claiming is not poor play?
Also there is no trolling category for reports
So what revenue or profit did they actually lose? Kind of skipped the whole example that I threw out for you just to point out 1 line? So basically it is you digging your heels in hopes to save face, even though your wrong.
If you queue up in the wrong slot, knowing that it’s going to put your team at a disadvantage and greatly increase the probability that they will lose… that’s throwing. No, you do not have to go, “oh, I’m going to do my best to make my team fail,” for it to qualify as throwing. If you willfully take actions knowing that they will greatly impede the chances of your team’s success, and you callously disregard that as someone queuing in the wrong slot would, then that’s still throwing.
Also, Blizzard themselves have not specifically denoted that throwing requires intent to lose, AFAIK, and certainly, the common understanding of the term does not require it–simply that someone is sabotaging the team’s ability to win. The most official description that I can find is from the report screen itself:
" Actively harassing or disrupting your own team through the use of game mechanics or player actions. This includes placing a Symmetra teleporter exit at a cliff edge, or intentionally allowing yourself to be eliminated by the enemy team. (I.E. feeding.)
Gameplay Sabotage is NOT ;
Simple making a mistake, playing poorly or an unwillingness to switch heroes"
That fits the bill. So even if you want to be pedantically technical and insist that throwing requires specific intent to cause your team to lose… it’s still not a false report. It’s still gameplay sabotage–which, as I said, many people will use interchangeably with “throwing.”
As soon as you falsely slot yourself for support/tank with the intent to not play support/tank, that’s not just “poor play.” The disclaimer on “poor play” covers people who are truly just bad at the game–an Ana with poor accuracy, for example, or a Bastion with terrible placement. Those are not the same as intentionally taking steps that you know will hamper your teams’ chance of success. Equivocating them is very disingenuous.
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Do you prefer the damage stat over elims, then?
Ive done around 20k damage as a healfirst Moira. Lets say a talented (ie, not me) dps only moira does 30k-40k damage. Is a dps character doing that much damage playing poorly, in your view?
I ask that the personal attacks cease
No, thats not throwing, as character choice alone is never considered throwing, as explicitly stated in Blizzards wriiten rules
Players are throwing because they refuse to heal, which is not how supports were designed by Blizzard. By not healing, then the player is throwing the match. This is more apparent in higher level play. The damage of a support vs the healing of a support is heavily in favor of the team that has an active supports in 2-2-2 comp. People aren’t going to get ban if they make a report stating the person was throwing cause they refuse to heal. It’s like when player gets mad in match and refuses to heal. Except the dps is mad over having a long dps queue. Blizzard isn’t going to ban people over making a ticket such as what I wrote above.
Blizzard needs to clarify if people can get reported over not healing if they select the role of support. I bet Blizzard has something plan for people who are playing support, but not healing.
Until Blizzard says otherwise, the majority of players will report those players for throwing. You ain’t going to stop this regardless of how many threads or post you make.
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Yes, do to a little thing called CONTEXT. I could do 30k-40k damage as Ashe just by lobbing my dynamite at the team and shooting the tanks that will never die. Heck, Your Overwatch did a shame video of a toxic Ashe player who did essentially that and bragged about his damage, yet provided something to the team.
A Widow could talk about how they keep headshotting 4 people during teamfights, but if they don’t get the right people then those 4 people don’t mean anything, and can still lose games. Same could be said for your damage stat. Holding right-click on a Hog or Rein that is just getting healed up will sure drive your numbers up, but you provided nothing of substance at all.
So there ya go.
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Truth =/= personal attacks. Normally if someone is losing an argument (and have stubbornness in them) they dig their heels in and just focus on the small parts they think they can win. You didn’t address the example or anything else, just the small 1 line that you could argue.
Seriously…even if I am, it is more rude that you don’t address anyone’s points and just try to “yell louder” to keep thinking your right. So who is the real rude person here?
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Whatever you say. I do not believe you regardless. And as I stated even if it were true, your posse’s reporting habits will change. So I ain’t concerned.
Again, this is highly disingenuous, because hero choice is not even the topic at hand here. It’s gameplay.
The clause regarding character choice, as has been explained by Jeff Kaplan in a few instances, is intended to protect people from reports for off-meta picks, particularly heroes such as Bastion/Symmetra/Torbjorn. You cannot be reported purely on the basis of picking one hero as opposed to another.
That once again is not the same as willfully and knowingly slotting in to play one role, then refusing to fulfill the functionality of that role so you can DPS. In that case, it doesn’t really matter who you pick within that role, because the actionable behavior occurs regardless of hero choice. That is gameplay sabotage, because you’re abusing the system to knowingly play a character sub-optimally. There’s really not a lot of ambiguity on that front.
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As i have repeatedly stated in this thread, i too prefer that the healers on my team heal
But
What i prefer and what the explicit written rules state are not the same thing
If i report a moira for not healing, i am reporting on the basis of my personal preferences, rather than in the basis of an actual violation of the rules, which would then mean
- i am submitting a false report, and
- I am breaking the rules of the game. I am a rule breaker, same as the aimbotting widow, and
- I am now eligible to be actioned for doing so
Imo, if one wishes to actively and knowingly break the rules of a game, the governance of said game should swiftly remove said player from said game
I been playing Blizzard games since 1998 on the original Starcraft. I never been ban in any game including all of the Blizzard games. Besides, I knew a gm that worked for Blizzard when I was in college. They don’t care about false reporting. I ask him about the reporting system. He was a gm for WoW. Not a bad job if your in college. They got copies of all the Blizzard games for free if I recall correctly. Although, he didn’t like the job.
They did have a major problem with chinese gold diggers, which is why they banned IPs from China on American servers.
So if i have read this correctly, a dps player who has 30-40k damage is in your view playing poorly
Hmm
I can only say that most dps players i know would be very happy to have an occasional match where they played up to that, uhm, “poorly” standard
I ask a second time that the personal attacks cease
I see
So this healer who isnt healing, are they doing damage to the other team?
Can we get specific on one healer at a time so that each response need not cover all 7 healers?
Maybe, yes. But maybe also, no.
Depending on how the reported moira behaves.
Again…I’ll try to go a bit slower now…CONTEXT.
Why do you seriously like to gloss over examples that just seem to destroy your arguments every time. One quick search in the Comp forums will show you that Medals don’t mean really anything in this game. You could have 5 Golds on Moira and still lose the game because all that DPS won’t do crap if you can’t win the Obj of the map.
So as I said before, CONTEXT matters when it comes to the DPS stat. Just lobbing damage orbs into the enemy team and right-clicking a Hog or Rein can get the damage numbers up, but ultimately they don’t mean anything if you aren’t doing SIGNIFICANT damage.
Plus, all that damage won’t keep your team alive who are hoping to get healed by you, while that RoadHog your right-clicking gets pocketed by a Zen orb.
Damage isn’t everything in this game, it is the sum of many different variables on whether it is “good” and “significant” damage compared to just “LOL” type of damage. Same can be said for Elims and, yes, even Healing. There are so many things in the game that can over inflate stats that it’s kind of sad in a way.
Well I asked 4 times for you to actually address the points that are being made, and yet you keep skipping past that. So if you are going to be rude to me, why should I give you special treatment?
And, yes, I am fully expecting you to skip everything above to just focus on me “personally attacking you” for a third time.
This isn’t going anywhere. I’m not responding to you anymore. You write whatever you want. We will see what happens when 2-2-2 goes live.
Clarification: nothing i have stated in this thread has been disingenuous
Hero choice is actually part of gameplay, in fact it is ones first action as a part of ones team.
Hero choice reoccurs throughout the match as well.
Further, the statement i replied to brought up hero choice