Why 1-2-3 is superior!

[TorbOnly-1432]

You are making a lot of assumption about human nature that are just not true. If what you said was a viable solution we would not have an obesity problem would we? A lot of people want to be fit and healthy but how many are willing to do something they dislike to get there?

The obesity epidemic is in large caused by capitalism. Over half of the population can’t afford to eat or live healthily due to the circumstances of their life, not because they’re just OK with being obese. I’m sure this would apply to a good number of people, but if what you said were true, almost everyone would be obese globally.

None of this really has anything to do with role prison.

[roseanya-1129]

The obesity epidemic is in large caused by capitalism.

WRONG. It is caused by the choices people make. Don’t make excuses for your behavior.

[lolezread-2702]

Changing from 222 to solo heal or tank would be a horrendous idea. The game is built around synergies (tanks ESPECIALLY)

[Kurfurst-1845]

1-2-3 is MUCH MUCH MUCH better.

for 2 games you now need 4 tanks, which is the least played class BY FAR and 4 dps which is ridiculous.

for 2 games with 1-2-3 you need 50% less tanks to create just a many games as well as providing more slots or 33% more dps players.

This is a HUGE deal. HUGE. How huge you say?

Just changing the tank requirement from 2 to 1 creates 100% more games that need to be filled with DPS and Healers.

So if you have 30 tanks in queue, with 2-2-2 you would have 15 games active at any period of time providing slots for 30 dps players.

With 1-2-3, if you have 30 tanks in queue you would have 30 games active at any period providing slots for 90 dps players.

This is a no brainer. Role queue can work but tanks need to be rebalanced and common sense and basic math needs to be applied by the devs in regards to market principles.

I actually would prefer 1 tank, 2 healers, 2 dps and 1 flex role. Which is also a derivation of 1-2-3

Insta pop tank queues

DPS wait at the back of the bus behind the support mains.

You REALLY under estimate how many DPS there are.

What happens if 75% of those tanks, decide to Que as DPS / Healer

Now you have 7 games instead of 15 as in 2-2-2.

Math goes both ways on that Parabolic curve.

[Mozts-1810]

You couldn’t pay me to queue for ‘1’.

[roseanya-1129]

What happens if 75% of those tanks, decide to Que as DPS / Healer

Now you have 7 games instead of 15 as in 2-2-2.

Math goes both ways on that Parabolic curve.

Then the queue times will be even worse in 2-2-2.

If the game only requires 1 tank, then mathematically you will still have more games than 2-2-2 which requires 2 tanks if 75% queue as DPS.

[ThaShogun-11823]

Only way this woukd work if tanks are OP ( Literal tanks) And take a whole lot to die. Im talking 600 health minimal reduced CC, increased healing bonus type of OP cause right now they would get melted in 0.5 seconds with 3 DPS.

[Eclipse-1391]

When there is too much market demand - the way to throttle it is via regulation. Which is exactly what blizzard has done.

Now tell me, aside from “there’s a lot of them” - why do you think DPS should get special, preferential treatment over everyone else? Why do you think that you are more special than anyone else?

[Kurfurst-1845]

If the game only requires 1 tank, then mathematically you will still have more games than 2-2-2 which requires 2 tanks if 75% queue as DPS.

So we agree that your suggestion doesn’t work.

I said this before, and I’ll say it again.

In 20-25 years NO ONE HAS EVER FIXED QUEUE TIMES IN ROLE QUE IN ANY GAME EVER MADE.

The only way to fix queue times is to randomly assign roles and remove the choice from the player.

[roseanya-1129]

So we agree that your suggestion doesn’t work.

I said this before, and I’ll say it again.

In 20-25 years NO ONE HAS EVER FIXED QUEUE TIMES IN ROLE QUE IN ANY GAME EVER MADE.

No, I’m saying if they must have a role queue system to provide some sort of structure then 1-2-3 is superior to 2-2-2.

[Vesihiisi-21324]

One of these kinda threads again? Just make it a mega thread or something so there wont be friiking hundreds/thousands of threads about the same annoying suggestion.

Dude just give it up, they wont make 1-2-3.

222’s here either you like it or not. And no offense but there’s reason why players like you should not be taken seriously.

[Kurfurst-1845]

No, I’m saying if they must have a role queue system to provide some sort of structure then 1-2-3 is superior to 2-2-2.

Yes, but the only way to truly fix it is to remove choice from the player.

Force random roles on everyone.

Then queue times go back to normal like before 2-2-2

It’s also why games like “The Secret World” do not have role queue problems, because anyone can be a healer, or a tank, or a DPS, or a hybrid of them. instead of picking a different character/role, they simply change their spec from Tank to DPS, or from DPS to Healer.

in World of Warcraft, they are called Druids. Who can play any role, tank/healer/DPS.

But queing as DPS in wow, is a 90 minute wait. Tanks and healers have insta pop queues.

[roseanya-1129]

Only way this woukd work if tanks are OP ( Literal tanks) And take a whole lot to die. Im talking 600 health minimal reduced CC, increased healing bonus type of OP cause right now they would get melted in 0.5 seconds with 3 DPS.

Yes the 8 tanks would need re-balancing.

[MikeUchiha-11562]

Honestly role queue was just a mistake. Overwatch wasn’t designed to be a game where you locked in anything, it was about fast switching and countering. Role Queue came in because they realized they couldn’t balance it at an esports level, so 2/2/2 was a measure to allow them an easier time at balancing.

100% this.

They did the same this essentially in World of Warcraft, too. They changed the talent system because they couldn’t balance it. And then they implemented a role queue for dungeons (despite people being able to operate outside of said role for the LONGEST time) and all it did was cause homogenization of classes and make long queue times for instances.

Blizzard seems not to learn from past mistakes.

I predicted the same thing would happen in Overwatch and it’s on route.

[Hoghren-2985]

I think the dps slot should just be 1, because dps players are the worst in most of the games.

[roseanya-1129]

Yes, but the only way to truly fix it is to remove choice from the player.

Force random roles on everyone.

Then queue times go back to normal like before 2-2-2

Will not work, people do not like playing random characters. People like their volition, lack of control would increase frustration and lead to the game’s death.

[Kurfurst-1845]

Will not work, people do not like playing random characters.

Then enjoy the queue times.

Like I said in 20-25 years no one has ever fixed role queue times in any game ever made.

[Ihnami-1515]

This game can’t be balanced around that unless they rework every single tank.

[roseanya-1129]

There is only 8. EIGHT tanks. It’s not like they are rebuilding the great wall of China.

[Ihnami-1515]

Yeah… how many complete reworks have we gotten in three years?