You are insane for this take. No. Someone being close friends with someone elses mom, when she’s 16, and then over TEN YEARS LATER. they get together with that mom’s ADULT child is nothing like incest.
It doesn’t. Parent’s aren’t the arbiters of who their children get to date when they’ve grown up.
No, I just want PROOF OF THIS. your interpretations sound bonkers do me and I’d rather see some canon lore than just believe you.
Edit; like, do you think the recent phara crushes on mercy lore would have made it to the game if they were akin to sisters? If it was tantamount to incest for them to get together? IK we sh*t on blizz for their disjointed lore but they aren’t that stupid.
So what? Lots of normal things feel “weird” to people. People also think their parents having sex or getting remarried is “weird”. I don’t care about “weird”. I care about consent and whether they’re happy.
I’m sure. “Many” people can literally believe anything.
youtube .com/watch?v=tIdbUB9Oo3g (Hope this is not against the rules)
5.6m views, almost 500k likes vs 16k dislikes.
If you find a similar video for Pharmercy with comparable numbers I’d like to see it.
In your examples, you made it clear that the vast majority was in favor of these changes, which wouldn’t be the case in this scenario. Yes, if “acknowledging” the ship is all it is, I’m perfectly fine with it - aside from the fact that Mercy/Pharah seemingly had little to do with each other in OW1 and the sudden will they/wont they feels more than a little drastic. If Genji and Mercy’s relationship is thrown out because of it though, that’s what I greatly disagree with.
Again, many other voice lines at the time were bugged in the exact same manner, why are you so convinced it was done with malicious intent? Do you have proof that it wasn’t a bug? Are the people who claims to have heard it play out fully later on, lying? But the comparison is entirely void anyways, because Pharah and Mercy was simply not teased to anywhere near the same extent Genji and Mercy was, they had that single voice line which was a reference to their shared ability to fly and that was pretty much it.
There never was a drastic shift, if we assume it’s true that they were removed on purpose, it was probably done so the audience didn’t get the wrong idea and became fans of something that wasn’t intended. Had the roles been reversed and Pharmercy had been teased and hinted at for years only for mercy to be randomly teased with Genji instead, I’d ALSO find it a disagreeable thing, so no, it is not a hypocritical thing for me to be upset about.
The only thing I can think of are these two Pharmercy interactions in OW1, where their interactions is primarily Mercy speaking as a friend of Pharah’s mother, to an upset Pharah, which does feel a little bit parental imo.
Mercy: Pharah, your mother always hoped you’d follow in her footsteps.
Pharah: She did? Funny, she never mentioned that to me.
and
Mercy: Pharah, If your mother could see you now I’d think she be proud of you!
Pharah: There’s a first time for everything, I guess.
Not that this would rule out a relationship between them though.
Pushing that as a “Gency” video is a hell of a stretch. It doesn’t acknowledge the relationship – it just showcases their canon interactions and literally ends by asking the viewer “What do you think?”, and generally aimed at the new players joining OW2.
Even if I do accept it as a “Gency ship” video, I doubt there can be anything that comes close to it because there’s no amount of equivalent lore to make a Pharmercy video with. So yeah, I have a hard time seeing this video as hard evidence for anything.
The Mercy ships are not even close to the level of one-sideedness that Luke/Han/Leia or Gwen/MJ/Peter had, though. Pharah has a hardcore fanbase that supports her ship; neither Luke nor Gwen had that.
I mean, Genji/Mercy just got heavy roles in a Valentine-themed event. Safe to say it ain’t going anywhere.
I’d like to know which other ones were “bugged” like you claim. For over six years. I literally can’t think of any.
And I’m going to invoke Grey’s Law here. Even if we assume this was a bug that Blizzard intentionally left untouched for six years, this is one of those cases where any sufficient level of incompetence is basically indistinquishable from malice.
I mean, this argument only makes your case worse. Not better. Yes, the ONLY line that had slightly romantic implications for Pharah and Mercy got removed. Which, again, comes across as hilarious when compared with some Gency content being removed and then replaced by more Gency content.
They are there. When I damage boost Genji, Mercy sometimes says, “go do your thing, Genji!” When she heals him, she sometimes said, “so soon, Genji?” When Mercy rezzes Genji, he sometimes says, “you have rescued me again, Dr. Ziegler!”
There’s a strong hint that Mercy has the hots for a guy, but we don’t know who he is yet. When Baptiste offers to Mercy to set her up, she says she’s already got her eye on somebody. I don’t remember the exact quotes of the conversation, but Baptiste uses the term “handsome,” so it’s almost certain that this means the crew knows Mercy is into guys, which seems to negate the theory that she and Pharah are an item. Though, Mercy calls Pharah “my knight in flying armor,” and Pharah replies that that’s what she was going for, which “That’s what I was going for” seems to me to be a concept rather than a relationship. Also, Rein is a knight in a lot of armor, and I think Mercy wants him to retire rather than anything relationship-wise.
As to how I know this, well, I only play Mercy and it’s been I think 930+ hours, so I tend to hear any conversation that Mercy is a part of. She and Moira REALLY detest each other, but it’s not like that’s new news to anybody.
For the record, this is the same argument that homophobes try to use to discredit gay relationships (“If we allow two men/women to have sex, what’s next? Inzext? Beastility? PDFilia?”), so I don’t think this is the argument you want to make.
Two consenting adults of no relation having a safe, sane and consensual relationship is not even remotely comparable to any of those things. Not the least of which because violating age of consent, by definition, violates consent.
IDC about pharmercy, literally means nothing to me. I just find everyone insinuating its gross without substantiation past dumb sht like ‘ana and mercy were friends’ to be silly.
No, it’s completely related. You can’t just jump from two consenting adults doing what they want to forms of sex that functionally violate consent. That is literally the same argument that bigots make.
This doesn’t apply whatsoever, even in the lore. If Pharah is the one who has had a crush on Mercy, there’s no familial relationship. Just growing up close to someone doesn’t count, because otherwise, “Childhood Romance” where next door neighbors or close schoolmates who grow up together and get married as adults would basically be inzext by your logic.
fine, I believe it does but you can think what you want
the age difference still exists tho. if it really is 5 years like overwatch says, then a whole tone of lore is messed up.
also, pharmercy is totally random. and blizzard is going with it, which is dissapointing. I believe they should stick to what they had for years, and not just randomly make 2 beloved heros part of lgbtq. its not wrong for them to be part of it, its wrong that theyve existed for 6 years and just now are randomly being made it, to appease people who demand inclusion.
thats not inclusion, thats messing with your game.
What? Do you need every LGBT character disclosed as such out the gate?
A lot of people would just complain it’s forced anyway. Now we’re going for the more natural approach i.e. writing it into the story when the characters are established, but that’s bad too?
No one would GAF if it was two straight characters who ‘randomly’ got together.
Yes, its a videogame. its not real life. They arent hideing it to stay safe, they dont have to. Blizzard is just trying to be “inclusive”, but inclusivity is making a hero that way from the start. Like in valorant. Kj and Raze were gay from the start, thats inclusivity. Lw and tracer were from the start. thats inclusivity
Just like no one would care if two gay charcters randomly got together, we care because mercy and pharah were straight for the past 6 years, until blizzard wanted to be “inclusive”. Venture(new hero coming out, idk how many people know), has differing pronouns. Thats inclusivity, they were that way form the start.
You can say whatever you like. I’m just saying that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you’ll have to forgive me if I don’t think it’s an owl.
It’s very obviously pro-Gency, with a general audience that heavily agree with its message, I don’t know what could convince you if this doesn’t.
That’s my point, their popularity was one-sided, so they changed the story to reflect that. In our scenario, it is not one-sided and they had no reason to change anything. Many other non-canon ships are incredibly popular, more popular than Pharmercy even, are they gonna have to start inserting love triangles to please every one of them?
Then where are their voice lines? That’s what this topic is about.
Again, where is the proof that they were bugged for 6 years? I mentioned before, but as recently as last week, I had voice lines play that didn’t play out fully or were oddly delayed in their delivery. If you google “pharmercy bugged voice lines”, there’s a thread about this exact topic with several people claiming to have heard it play out in fully.
It is not comparable because there was little reason to believe Pharah and Mercy had a relationship in the first place, that was all fans reading heavily into that exact voice line.
And I’m really not seeing the heaps of Gency content that you are in OW2, we have crumbs maybe, but Pharah’s content with Mercy far outweighs it by now. If you started with OW2 and didn’t look up outside information, I wouldn’t be surprised if you had no idea Genji and Mercy’s relationship has any significance at all.
