When will they admit 1 tank is not fun

Okay. That’s a more valid way to look at it I guess.

But, if we go by this. Then they are both Logical Failures. It’s just a question of one-off Logical Failures. Versus chronic Logical Failures associated with who you are as a person. But otherwise, the same identical behavior, but at differing levels of time frequency.

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This is blizzard we’re talking about. They’ll let the playerbase thanos itself before EVER admitting to a problem and actually fixing it.

I’ve played in OW1 in bronze, silver, gold, platinum and low diamond. Around gold you do notice that a lot of teams play meta heroes and even meta team comps. So yes I did absolutely notice gameplay differences in different metas, especially when new heroes released.

In OW2 it’s the opposite. The pickate for team comps feels the same all the time and when a new hero releases only that particular hero are more played. Even with different comps, the matches feels very similar compared to OW1 were the gameplay noticeably shifted depending on the comps even at average ranks like platinum which lead to more variety which I really enjoyed.

This is my exact experience aswell playing tank. Back in OW1 I much more often could play a tank a little bit better than the enemy and win the game most of the time without having to counter swap.

However in OW2 I do have to almost all the time have to counter swap as a tank to be able to maintain my rank. If for example the enemy tank plays a little bit better or worse than me and then changes to a tank that counters me, a whole fight many times switch in favor of the enemy team and this happened much less often in OW1.

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Tank is only fun when your winning or your team is cheering you on.

*when you win
correction since playing tank whilst losing 99% of the time is a stomp and then the chat is filled with tank diff

even when your team is cheering you on, the amount of cc that the solo tank receives is just unbearable for most players

I still find it to be rare. Even when I win, tanking is not fun anymore.

I had more fun losing games on tank in OW1 than I do winning games on tank in OW2.

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Don’t care about your other interactions. They’re not me and i’m not gullible.

If you apply a bit of common sense and logic, you’ll realize that when people hit their shots far easier with the bullet hitbox increase and when you add the dps passive on top of that, then yes, damage does go up. Shields go down fast enough as it is, and once a shield is gone, the tank gets melted instantly, unless they have a double support pocket on them.

There wouldn’t be anything remotely close to the double shield comp in OW1 for those reasons alone. The other reason is that Orisa was reworked and no longer have her barrier, and she was the double shield anchor.

Still waiting for a source for that claim of yours.

by dive tanks are the only ones that are playable now

You don’t see how that’s worse though? To keep with the analogy I used, that’s basically management telling the other departments ‘Hey guys so……we decided we can’t be bothered to try and hire more people for department T, so going forward the help you guys are used to having? Expect it to be slashed by fifty percent’

It’s not fair to anyone. Tank players get it the worst, but the other roles have also been negatively impacted in their own ways.

Try playing a few hundred mystery hero games and tell me you like playing against 2 shield tanks with a suboptimal rng for your team and the enemy got the perfect draw.

Before you could just leave the game but now you are stuck in hell.

If they ever go back to 2 tanks for qp/ranked i uninstall the game for good. :sweat_smile:

I don’t know how to fix tanks, but going back to 2 of them is maybe fun for the tanks but the rest of us is going back to shooting walls and that was just frustrating and boring to play.

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Orisa, Hog, Zar are all still playable so thats not true at all. You really want to use whatever excuse you can think up to bring a 600+ hp dps against a 200hp dps because you cant win a fair matchup huh?

Again the shooting shields excuse, as if shooting an unstoppable 700+hp bullet sponge is any better…

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Admitting it’s not fun would be the same as admitting that something needs to be done about it.

If they don’t know what to do about it, they likely won’t admit it isn’t fun :man_shrugging:

Not really, because we are up against another team of the same amount of people, not 6. So the workload is propotionally less.

That 700+hp sponge doesnt stop you from interacting with the other 4 on their team, not as much as having to work through tons of defense of 2 tanks. Double shields maybe one of the worst of it, but after playing 5v5 i dont want to go back to 2 tanks and spend more time dealing with all of their defensive abilities again.

5v5, by design, taking away team’s crutches and put more emphasis on individual skills of every one.

Almost nobody who argues for 6v6 coming back, far as I’ve seen anyway, says ‘Let’s go back right this second, no changes, nothing’.

Even we agree people who DO say that are insane.

Obviously tanks would need to be rebalanced so some of the newer tank synergies couldn’t be broken, but there’s this idea amongst 5v5ers they ‘couldn’t’ do it so why bother.

I don’t buy that, and most don’t.

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