Play is sloppier on the ladder. You have people not in voice and overextending without the reassurance of a near-given mobile barrier.
Where everyone has a plan, knows how to execute it, and knows what needs to be where for it to happen, that limitation becomes a lot less of an issue.
Iāve never been able to come up with a clear position on this one. I simply canāt answer this questionā¦
āIs Rein that good because heās that good, or is he that good just because of what he is?ā
I mean, you probably can in Gold/Plat, but thatās because very little matters in solo queue.
But Orisa will never be a substitute to Rein where play optimization is a thing.
And buffing Rein against her wonāt change that, because shield Bash isnāt what made her good against dive, specifically Winston, itās what it does against the rest of a dive comp which goes unchanged.
this is some funny irony brig the anti dive tank support in a dive comp.
Yes please. Just delete them. OW devs missed the point of the heavy and added some WoW PVP abomination to an FPS.
To be honest, I donāt think that last Mercy nerf was needed either. There are other stats besides pick rate. Reinhardt just isnāt that statistically crazy outside of his pick rate. Heās fine.
And I say that as someone who mainly plays D.Va, Hammond, Orisa, and Zarya. I do play Rein too, but I never feel like I have to. I play Orisa all the time. Tanks right now are a class that is pretty balanced.
As a hardstuck plat/gold (LUL xd) people prefer Reinhardt because he is leagues better than Orisa. Her skill floor is higher than Reinās and juggling CDās and shield dancing is something you dont see that much in low tier.
Instead, in a very simplified way too-- you just have to put up your shield as Rein and youāre already effective. You only get Orisas on hybrid 1st point defense or at best, when thereās bastion/torb/symmetra on the team.
You could try to make Orisa work anywhere, but thats gonna be next level chaos even for plats ![:grin:](https://d74zh8edaijub.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/grin.png?v=6" ":grin:")
I dont really think she is a Reinhardt substitute tbhā¦ but sometimes reinhardt feels like an Orisa substitute, specially when you have turret heroes.
Think of it in reverse, the less Brigitte can compete, the closer she is to being taken into a niche side meta pick to deter dive heroes (the key aspect she was made for) then that is closer to releasing the other tanks from their sad desolate prisons brig locked them in >.<
and this addresses the issue of a lack of counterplay in a Reinhardt avoiding being stunned by a Brig with no option other than to take it, which Iām all for as it helps solve a problem which leads to chain cc, and that is FRUSTRATING BEYOND BELIEF, canāt block the first, so you get hit by all the ones you COULD block previously to brigs unavoidable stun.
Iād say itās two steps in the right direction for making the games roster more diverse, releasing a hero that just blocks a portion of the roster out and creates another extreme must-use meta obviously just created a new problem, so it needs to be balanced through solving the individual issues each hero kit has to achieve actual hero pool diversity and increasing the amount of available strategies which as Iām sure near enough everyone would agree is where we want overwatch to be.
Itās funny you should mention this. MagyTheMage did a survey on balance about 9 days ago. 77% of people felt Reinhardt was balanced. And 15% of people felt he was underpowered. So, survey says heās balanced.
Thanks for linking that, and Magy for doing it. Pretty interesting results.
No, he had not. Winston only had higher pickrate in GM, about same in Masters and lower in Diamond. Winston also had lower winrate in every single bracket.
Source: Omnicmeta
http://www.omnicmeta.com/2018/03/overwatch-hero-meta-report-pc-mar-22-18.html
It is a very popular myth than Rein was not used during dive meta. The only short time frame when he was not #1 most played main tank across the ladder was mid-late of Season 5. From S6 and till now he surpassed Winston in almost every single bracket, since S10 literally everywhere.
She still locks out the dive heroes though through existing. Youāre going to a point where sheās effectively deleted to Z tier where no one is going to pick her anyway.
That might help things at higher ranks; but this is a hero whoās fifth picked Support overall - sheās not picked at lower ranks and not having the same impact players are pretending is happening - this is why we call her āForum Brigitteā.
Making life easier for Reinhardt when he is picked doesnāt help dive heroes in this instance; it just reinforces āSomeone is trying dive, letās go Brigā, so we end up with reinforcement of Rein deathballs because thereās still no point even trying dive.
Reinhardt needs a spinning tornado attack
That is by design, though. Sheās a stop gap needed to let deathball compete at the highest level.
Brigitte is a bit of a mess balance wise even though she is not what the thread is about. She does not have the heal throughput to even be an offhealer, so sheās not that great in 2/2/2 and running Brig as an off healer means you pretty much need your main healer to pocket Rein all game or he will just get bursted down. Sheās very good in triple support, though, as her brawling potential (whether intended or not) allows her to replace a DPS without much loss in team TTK and your team still has two actual healers to keep the blob alive. Plus, you know, everything else she brings. Itās why I call her Swedish Zarya.
But the same goes for Brigitte, just like a potential Brigitte swap polices dive, A potential Rein swap Polices brigitte, that is the art of the hero swap mechanic, and I donāt think they are looking to get rid of it any time soonā¦ but if it is seen as a problem over time, itād be brig that gets nerfed to the point of being very niche and a liability like quite a few heroes are, but Iām hoping more along the lines that her power level overall gets checked down to the point shes usable, but not dictating a meta.
Or, you can go back a bit further and see Winston being picked more than Reinhardt. Itās all about WHEN you look because Reinhardt has not always been on top. Here an Omnic Meta source that shoes what I am talking about.
http://www.omnicmeta.com/2017/07/overwatch-hero-meta-report-pc-s5-w7.html
I can drive a Reinhardt crazy as Doomfist.
Actually, is this a troll post?
Not fun =/=weak
Iām not saying heās OP ,but he is absolutely not weak and balance wise doesnāt need buffs.