It is relevant.
Sure, Blizzard gets the final say, but whether or not they’re well-informed or wrong is still up for debate.
Ult timers are public knowledge. Integrating an ultimate timer as a notification is the same thing as an egg timer you have personally set up on your desk.
Visor too was partnered with the Seoul Dynasty and Contenders teams, went through an approval process by Blizzard, and were taken surprise by this.
In fact, if you compare the two Discord messages, they’re almost word-for-word identical
It’s not. If it’s intention is to give you information that others otherwise wouldn’t be given, it is considered an unfair advantage by definition and is not allowed. Blizzard could care less about how well it works.
They already have the information.
TLDR : No we don’t
A good rule of thumb is, if you have to go making “excuses” and “reasons” that start by “yes, its an external app but …” , you are on the wrong side pal.
WoW has many addons and they left waaaaaay too many things allowed, now they are leaving 0 room.
Nothing that interacts with OW. Period.
PS: Stream sniping is not a cheat, if you choose to give your info, its your choice and it has its risks.
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What interests me is that people who defend visor will say “it doesn’t even really work reliably”… So why do you still want it to be allowed
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You know just as much as everyone else that an ult will be ready in 100 seconds if no damage is dealt.
It’s information everyone has access to so your argument of “I don’t have access to this info” is void, because you do.
Pursuit doesn’t interact with Overwatch any more than OBS does. It just records the game. It does no in-game notifications or alerts. No interaction at all.
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I’m bored of it. People just need to accept that this new UI or whatever is intended to give players an advantage through increased ease of information that people with just the game on its own won’t have. There’s no defending it. They just need to get over it lol
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Then you are good, see? Simple, right?
It’s not simple when Blizzard lists both Pursuit and Visor in the same email treating them like the same thing. They are not. Pursuit doesn’t interact with the game. Visor does.
Does Visor really interact? Or does it just layer itself? Idk so I’m genuinely asking.
You can track your own stats in a very efficient manner without the added benefit of the application telling you how well you played (or not).
This is going from tracking stats that either the game or application presents to you, to automatically coaching your games and presenting real-time feedback – either as you play, or as a testimony to your match.
For all intents and purposes it is an advantage. I can’t imagine a person using it who does not benefit greatly from basically being told how they should play by a machine which knows better than them.
It analyzes the game in real-time and provides in-game alerts. You can also get a stats screen in-game based on their real-time analysis. So yes I would consider that interacting.
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It’s giving you information that was already public knowledge. Passive ult generation timers are public knowledge.
| Hero |
Ultimate Ability |
Charge Required |
Estimated Time |
| Ana |
Nanoboost |
1650 |
330 sec |
| Bastion |
Configuration: Tank |
2062.5 |
412.5 sec |
| Brigitte |
Rally |
2062.5 |
412.5 sec |
| Doomfist |
Meteor Strike |
1500 |
300 sec |
| D.Va |
Self Destruct | Call Mech |
1375 | 300 |
275 sec | 60 sec |
| Genji |
Dragonblade |
1500 |
300 sec |
| Hanzo |
Dragonstrike |
1500 |
300 sec |
| Junkrat |
RIP Tire |
1562.5 |
312.5 sec |
| Lucio |
Sound Barrier |
2625 |
525 sec |
| McCree |
Deadeye |
1500 |
300 sec |
| Mei |
Blizzard |
1437.5 |
287.5 sec |
| Mercy |
Valkyrie |
1960 |
392 sec |
| Moira |
Coalescence |
2125 |
425 sec |
| Orisa |
Supercharger |
1750 |
350 sec |
| Pharah |
Barrage |
1812.5 |
362.5 sec |
| Reaper |
Death Blossom |
1812.5 |
362.5sec |
| Rein |
Earthshatter |
1375 |
275 |
| Roadhog |
Whole Hog |
2000 |
400 |
| S76 |
Tac Visor |
2062.5 |
412.5 |
| Sombra |
EMP |
1250 |
250 |
| Sym |
Photon Barrier |
1500 |
300 |
| Torb |
Molten Core |
1625 |
325 |
| Tracer |
Pulse |
1125 |
225 |
| Widow |
Infra Sight |
1375 |
275 |
| Winston |
Primal |
1375 |
275 |
| Hammond |
Minefield |
1400 |
280 |
| Zarya |
Graviton |
1875 |
375 |
| Zen |
Transcendence |
2062.5 |
412.5 |
Using this table, and an egg timer, you can approximate any ultimate without ever having to use Visor at all. Or you can just known by game sense and intuition.
If you can do this yourself, what difference does it make if Visor does it for you?
The only unknown here is if Visor shaves seconds off based on live killfeed presence, or averaged aggregate data (the average Plat ____ get ultimate XYZ seconds faster than normal). That is the only way it’s intentionally giving you more information that is unfair.
And even then, the game gives you the tools to get that information yourself through the killcam.
Hahaha. Man, you made my day… Thank you so much…
Eh. People can try to justify it all they want, but it breaks EULA. So… Whether or not you agree, Visor is against the rules. Haven’t heard of Pursuit, but since its evidently similar, I’d imagine the same goes for it
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Except it has explicitly, by name, been announced to be bannable by the Community Manager.
Why do you think this is remotely damning?
After my brief experimentation with Visor I turned off the notifications and used it solely for aggregate data collection. Having 11 seasons worth of stats inflating my performance is meaningless to me – D.Va is still my most winningest hero despite me having never touched her in 4 seasons.
Narrowing it down to recent stats is valuable.
Furthermore, as just a QOL improvement to the game as a whole, I want everyone to get better. There are tons of mistakes that I can see and observe in my matches queuing with LFG.
I can’t be the one who tells them how to get better, or what to look for, because I’m not well-spoken/charismatic enough to give them that instruction.
Visor would be the perfect recommendation I could give that would increase everyone’s game sense as a whole.
That’s fine. This is a discussion on whether or not it’s right for it to be against the rules, especially given their explicit reasoning why.
So many people are quick to judge without understanding how it works. And personally, I think Blizzard did zero investigation.
I dug around the install files and discovered that it was a fork of OBS… I even reached out to the dev and confirmed how the ult timers works.
Just knowing how it works dispels all fears I have of the app being cheating.
But other people aren’t willing to put in that time to learn this information and will just assume it works on magic and pixie dust and somehow makes everyone you fight against at a disadvantage.
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And what better way to get better than by wanting to improve? Solely for yourself?
What are you doing to improve if your gameplay is constantly augmented by a machine?
