I would say it starts to matter “for the first time” in High Plat 
close to Diamond.
That genuinely makes no sense.
Teamwork is meaningless? Do you hear yourself?
Any 6 stack worth playing only works with teamwork. What you’ve said is just baffling. 
I mean, you speak for yourself please. You keep doing this authoritarian thing. People at different elos have to do different things.
I said nothing about solo queue though. The idea, if for no one else, is to get better at doing what you need to do in a team environment.
Also, that’s not even taking into consideration other roles. Each role presents its own needs and priorities, of which some depend on teamwork more than others. If you’re a DPS main, I can understand your unwillingness to agree. But other roles do have to pay attention to their team, and it would be foolish to expect people to pick up these skills if they cannot practice it.
I completely disagree with discouraging people who want to scrim from doing it. People should learn, and every opportunity to learn should be explored. Regardless of what rank you are.
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With all due respect me and my team which is GM (4.3k roughly) we do scrim 3-4 times a week and we even add someone who is bronze to our team and played with them but the only thing is that’s not gonna help them be a better player because for us to win with them in our scrims we had to worry about a lot of things like keeping them alive and safe and it is too much work for scrims when the are only meant to be played to learn how to play as a team and not really to learn how to play the damn game, it is really rude of you replying to a person with such rudeness who explained the reason really well.
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I think I wanted to talk about getting into scrims, setting them up, and looking for people who might be interested - however they insisted on discouraging the topic. I don’t believe I was rude in asking them to stop.
I was going to say your insight into a GM level scrim was helpful. Also, if you’re going to say something disrespectful, just say it. No need to preface it with nice talk.
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That’s true, since high plat and low diamond is basically the same.
Teamwork in lower and average ranks is simply nonexistant. Most people are not in voice chat, if some are, they won’t listen or will just flame. Even if they try to communicate, it will be bad and nonrelevant callouts. The only time you could do with teamwork in lower ranks, is if you are constantly 6-stacking and try to execute certain strategies.
What are you talking about? You do know that I started out as a Low Gold Player myself? I have gotten from Low Gold to Masters with improvement, I have been there through all these elos so I have experience.
You explained it really well man, thank you for that.
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Again, speak for yourself. There are players who are Silver and Bronze who would be interested in doing scrims, and possibly have someone to help them as well.
Gold is also the default starting rank. You started out normally. You never fell. You only climbed. - Many people here have vastly different experiences, including falling into Bronze and Silver and getting stuck.
Good. You finally comprehended something.
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It is quite possible that we misunderstood him. He indeed nowhere said he wants to Scrim just to rank up on ladder.
If he wants to Scrim and get a 6 man team and learn to play with them and then go to Comp as a 6 man team then it might work for him.
Will say it again, join Jayne’s Discord, he does a lot of Scrims with players of different SR in one team. See how it goes. Then let us know 
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I actually in fact just wanted to see who was interested in doing scrims.
That got DRAGGGED out into this whole derail here…
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50:50 true and not true.
If you want to climb fast you have to play 2 elos above your current rank. I had low diamond matches 20 times harder than low Gm matches. If you just play and play and play you can climb after 500 matches with 55% winrate as well if you are good enough.
The thing you are describing with „fix own mistakes“ and get mechanically better can „make you“ a higher elo player without ever touched certain SR regions. So technically if you improve to Masters level while still being in plat you play „2 elos above“.
The problem is, that the matches you win anyway because your team is just dominating are worthless. The interesting matches are the „against you“ matches where your team (aspecially tanks) get stomped (tank diff lul) if you want to win those matches you have to play 1k SR above.
Its a huge difference get a fresh level 25 account to GM on level 30-40 or just play 10 seasons from silver to GM with over 1000 matches with 54% winrate.
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On the point with VOD reviews Abdullah9000 is completely correct.
If you want to get better ask someone to coach you.
I had my coaching 2 years ago from a twitch streamer. She did it for free btw.
Her name is JulezOW (low GM Ashe main) 2 seasons after that coaching I went from 3500 to my peak 4508. (those were my console times).
I highly recommend asking small twitch streamers on GM level for coachings. Like I said Julia did it for free. There are many helpful players
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You are confusing me homie. How would you even get to play 2 ranks above your current skill level if you don’t spend time fixing mistakes and improving mechanical skill?
To win in lower and average ranks you need to do less mistakes than the enemy team to win, while in higher ranks, the team that has the better teamwork wins.
Some matches are winnable/unwinnable no matter how hard you try/throw. Other matches you can have a huge impact on the outcome. Nonetheless you should always try your best in all of them to increase the chance of winning.
That’s completely true. I used to belong in the second group that had been stuck in Average ranks for a long time, before spending time to improve to rank up. It wasn’t an easy journey.
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Well you can get to a higher mechanical skill level without touching your current SR. Its hard to describe because smurfing in lower elo or simply playing qp to improve your aim and movement can make your aim worse because low elo players have pepega movement. Hard to do but its possible to fix your gameplay mistakes and get better mechanical without playing on your main and touching your current SR section in ranked.
In lower elo you can win by just clicking everyones head. If you are mechanical on masters level it is at least 8/10 plat matches possible for you to win without any teamplay just by getting 3-4 picks per fight or simply spawncamp them. But thats more dps and offtank focused. And like I said it is possible for you to improve mechanical to a low master level without ever even touching diamond. But it will be hard get used to better movements from a bit higher players. But it is possible.
Tbh if you are mechanical good enough your positioning matters WAY less in plat and diamond than in masters and GM and even in masters you can simply win by out hitscanning enemy hitscans. Only L for you is when your tanks simply get destroyed by enemy tanks. Because tank diff matters way more than dps diff.
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Scrims are fun… but they also kinda highlight how bad the ladder experience is by comparison.
Learning to play around tank duos that are working together is very different compared to playing with Flank Hogs and Ball feeders on ladder.
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Didn’t ELO HELL have regular PUGS?
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Elo Hell being one of the big ones, and they also offer PUGs so you don’t need a team, you can just sign up as a solo.
BUT… I think there should be a way to do it within the client and it’s a shame players have missed out on it. If they do bring it in it should have no rewards associated with it, because people get toxic if they lose then.
Gold to GM Tank here.
I got so fed up with Plat players (when I myself was 2900), that I made my own team that I worked on as Manager, IGL, and as the Main Tank specialist.
If you’ve got questions, feel free to ask them and I’ll do my best to answer. 
Normally you don’t want to have “open” scrims, as it’s less professional - but also can hinder the entire point of a scrimmage, which is to be taken seriously.
If you have “open” scrimmages, it’s for 1 of 2 possible reasons:
- To gather temporary players for a team that is down 1-2 of their roster, typically referred to as “ringers”. Having a ringer is a less than ideal scenario, and there’s dedicated servers with tens of thousands of people on Discord where you can find ringers.
- To allow spectators.
The issue with #1 is that ringers throw off the coordination, strategy, and trust dynamics of the team they’re on. If I’ve trained with my hitscan player to perfectly time Flash+Shatters, and suddenly I have a completely random player of similar SR who plays hitscan - that level of trust formed from consistent practices will NOT be there.
The issue with #2 is that spectators can see ultimate charges, they can see positioning for both teams, and they can talk in text chat which may pull attention away from the focus of the game. So including spectators that are not trusted to uphold proper professional levels of integrity may jeopardize the balance of either team via leaked information or distraction.
There’s more to this than meets the eye. Fixing your own mistakes is the only way to reliably improve until gm. There’s several reasons behind this, but the largest is that there simply are too many players in the lower ranks.
Your odds of having the same tankline as a plat DPS are extremely low. But if that same DPS was in Grandmaster, they would frequently encounter the same few hundred players. Split into two teams and playing for several hours each day, they would have consistency.
If smurfs and derankers ruin 5 of your 10 games, then statistically they will have less of an impact on your climb the more games you play. While smurfing and deranking is an ever-growing problem, the majority of the playerbase are neither. This means that your chances of not encountering them, is higher than the chances of encountering them. If you instead play 20 games, the likelyhood that 10 of those will be ruined by smurfs/derankers is lower as that 50% ratio will not be maintained.
If you play 50 games, that percentage lowers more and more.
The only consistent factor in all those games is yourself, or any grouped partner you have.
SVB is a great proponent of this, and even has an entire series dedicated to it. He might even have multiple, I don’t entirely remember. His content is highly educational if you look at it through a critical eye. In addition to this, downloading the Overwatch League Replay Viewer will allow you to review each individual OWL match with a lot of control.
You can use this to see professional insight into the differences between yourself and the top players. “I’m a hitscan player, and so is X player. On Anubis, point A, they position here but I normally position elsewhere. Why are they holding where they are?” Sure, some of it can be chopped up to “They’re able to hold their own because of mechanical skill that exceeds my own”, but there’s more to it than that.
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