Was Kragie Cheating?

Oh damn… you can actually tell how dampened he gets as well. I dunno unless that was some insane reflex reaction to sound or something. I think he knows he screwed up.

Let’s be real most streamers even when hyper focused when they get these 2-5k streaks they hype it up, they hype themselves for the clip, coz entertainment. You might be in the flow, but they are business people as well and been in the game for long time, but you just see how the air leaves him after that sombra kill. Damn.

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Yeah, there no hype or facial expression at all from Kragie during that entire clip.
For me, that was really odd to notice.
Just stone cold and expressionless, IDK, it’s weird AF to me.

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That is not a flick, that is a hard lock snap. People in this game are completely oblivious to aimbots and wallhacks. Compare legit flicks to the bs that goes on in this game. Yall acting like this is somehow not the norm is mindnumbing.

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Your talent takes you to the rank you belong.

The same way I’ve taken 10+ accts to mid to high masters, Kragie will take his to GM1. That type of consistency doesn’t happen by accident. Stop chugging that copium.

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Actually that’s the weird thing…he brags “I’m HIM!” after tagging the soldier and is clearly pumped, then he hits the sombra shot and is completely deflated. This clip is way too hard to defend.

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It’s not a lie but an explanation of how it can happen. I’ve seen luckier headshots on invisible sombras over the years.

Yeah, I went back and rewatched that section and you’re right. I think I was so focused on the frame by frame on the initial playbacks that I missed his cam completely.

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So are you a simp or a cheater too? The only way that clip would have been more suspicious is if he was spinning around instantly headshotting everyone. Even his facial expression and reaction suggests it was cheating and he knows if was too obvious.

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IDK to me, the fact that his community even immediately were questioning that to a level he needed to provide an explanation is in and of itself pretty incriminationg.

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Neither, just told you an explanation how it can happen. No need to read into it any more than that.

Brand new accounts almost always place high masters if you are slightly decent at the game.

I dont think anyone is saying that the streamers are bad players, but cheating makes good players even better. Walls and low FOV aimbots are pretty common.

Its weird to me that so many of the streamers are constantly putting out clips of people rage hacking hard locking yo heads as if thats what most aimbots look like these days. Its not like that anymore, it looks like really good human aim now.

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Its a bad explanation. “Goodluck and timing” doesnt really explain how he knew exactly where the sombra was going to go and why he looked so sad when he got the shot.

Sure perfectly hitting invisible targets could be good luck but that doesnt make it not extremely suspicious and the facial expression is pretty damning, he knows he messed up.

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facial expressions can come and go, if you watch the vod he starts laughing about it where the clip ends. maybe that is his focused face beforehand, idk, i dont watch kragie.

He was just laughing and boasting right before. Its not like he was silent and concentrating throughout, his demeaner immediately changed in response to the kill.

Look I understand that people get really lucky kills on sombras, ive gotten dozens of them over my thousands of hours. You have to admit everything about that clip looks really bad though.

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in isolation sure.
If i saw a player do that id be suspicious, but then if i’d see that players gameplay for hours on daily and nothing seemed off i’d most likely forget about it.

This is exactly why people in high position, like streamers or even society in general, can continue to exploit systems, sadly. :frowning:
Because we basically gaslight ourselves, “it’s a one off and everything else seems fine.” when in reality those one offs are a flashpoint to a deeper systemic cause.
Speaking in generalities, though it does apply in this case.

Imagine if forensics adopted this mindset with evidence of any type of crime?
“Well, everything else around this crime scene seems normal, so we’ll just dismiss this vital clue and not pursue it further.”

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If you think anyone who gets one suspicious shot is immediately a cheater no matter what, that’s an opinion but i’ll disagree.

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I have landed one of these kind of shots maybe in my entire overwatch career. Complete and utter luck. I laughed. The sombra laughed and you could see the guy I was going for in the background. Than I have landed one on hanzo as well. Basically spamming with intervals not too make it to obvious I was holding the angle , expecting a peak and boom there died a sombra. I was surprised. Considering he got the jump on me 10+ times in the game and killing me once or twice coming from spawn, obviously he did not think much of it than dumb luck.

Kragiee is just so quiet. It’s weird.

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Looks really bad to me. If he was shooting forward and just got the sombra that would be one thing, but to flick way off to the side perfectly to where she is and then have that response to it.

This is a great video showing what modern cheats look like for those who dont know.

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That’s not what I’m saying. I am saying that it is incredibly suspicious when tied with the rest of the context of said clip which justifies being looked into further to either deny or validate the claims.

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